NFL Boycott - Will FedEx Peak be easier...in current events?

bbsam

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But doesn't that violate your First Amendment rights? Seriously, you should SUE and take this OUTRAGE to the court of public opinion.

Boycott FedEx Ground!!

Wait.

That would be self-defeating, wouldn't it???

Damn!
No. What don't you understand about contracts?

The NFL contract does not prohibit protests.

The Fedex Ground contract does.

Simple enough for you?
 

Fred's Myth

Nonhyphenated American
No. What don't you understand about contracts?

The NFL contract does not prohibit protests.

The Fedex Ground contract does.

Simple enough for you?
So you sold away your First Amendment rights, via contract with FedEx, for the opportunity to make a buck?

Kinda makes your moral outrage look shallow.
 

bbsam

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So you sold away your First Amendment rights, via contract with FedEx, for the opportunity to make a buck?

Kinda makes your moral outrage look shallow.
It is what it is. Look up unconscionable contract. It's what eventually will do in Ground in my opinion. But until then, it pays the bills.
 

bbsam

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So you sold away your First Amendment rights, via contract with FedEx, for the opportunity to make a buck?

Kinda makes your moral outrage look shallow.
And none of that changes that the NFL players aren't prohibited from their protests, now does it?
 

Fred's Myth

Nonhyphenated American
Here’s what the NFL game operations manual says regarding the national anthem:

"The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem. During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses."

Should, as defined by Merriam-Webster:—used in auxiliary function to express obligation, propriety, or expediency

May, as defined by Merriam-Webster: (shall, must)—used in law where the sense, purpose, or policy requires this interpretation

This doesn't even take into consideration the players own contracts, which I would believe contain clauses regarding Acceptable Conduct, and Conduct Detrimental to the Team.
 

vantexan

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So you admit the protests are legal but your side doesn't like them and on that basis alone, they should have to stop?
No, but "my" side has just as much right to protest the protests. And can vote with our feet, or not. Sounds like you're saying you can do anything you please and we have to just shut up and take it.
 

vantexan

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Here’s what the NFL game operations manual says regarding the national anthem:

"The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem. During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses."

Should, as defined by Merriam-Webster:—used in auxiliary function to express obligation, propriety, or expediency

May, as defined by Merriam-Webster: (shall, must)—used in law where the sense, purpose, or policy requires this interpretation

This doesn't even take into consideration the players own contracts, which I would believe contain clauses regarding Acceptable Conduct, and Conduct Detrimental to the Team.
What now Makaveli?
 

bbsam

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No, but "my" side has just as much right to protest the protests. And can vote with our feet, or not. Sounds like you're saying you can do anything you please and we have to just shut up and take it.
Protesting a protest is different than trying to say they don't have the right or that they should be fired.
 

bbsam

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Staff member
Here’s what the NFL game operations manual says regarding the national anthem:

"The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem. During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses."

Should, as defined by Merriam-Webster:—used in auxiliary function to express obligation, propriety, or expediency

May, as defined by Merriam-Webster: (shall, must)—used in law where the sense, purpose, or policy requires this interpretation

This doesn't even take into consideration the players own contracts, which I would believe contain clauses regarding Acceptable Conduct, and Conduct Detrimental to the Team.
So at times in this document the word "must" is used and the word "should" is used. Do you think legal documents interchange the two?
 

Fred's Myth

Nonhyphenated American
"The ashes are now cooling over a controversial lawsuit filed by the state of Utah over a 14,000-acre wildfire started by a Boy Scout troop camping in the Uinta mountains.
The settlement requires the Boy Scouts of America to shell out more than $330,000 in cash and plant more than 9,000 tree seedlings on state land scorched by a Scout troop left unsupervised in 2002."-Deseret News, Utah.

I quoted the above news article to emphasize the difference between intentions, and reality.
The BSA never intended to set a wildfire.
The reality is that that is exactly what they did.
Protesting that by kneeling during the Anthem you didn't intend to show contempt for America, doesn't alter the reality that that is what you accomplished.
Even First Amendment rights, when exercised, can have consequences.
 

vantexan

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Protesting a protest is different than trying to say they don't have the right or that they should be fired.
I've frequently seen commentators on FOX say of course they have the right to protest. No one is taking away their right to. It's a matter of whether they should and if it's the appropriate place to do so. Kaepernick started this but it's an offshoot of the "Stop, don't shoot" movement that a number of NFL players participated in before Kaepernick ever sat or took a knee. Michael Brown didn't get executed on his knees, and Blacks have a lot more to be worried about from their own brethren than from White America. But things have been twisted so now we all are confronted with the spectacle of Blacks believing they must confront White America and it's injustice. It's to the point average Whites feel frustrated because they feel an honest effort has been and is being made to address past wrongs. And that Blacks who don't address the violence, drugs, poverty in their own communities but shift the blame on Whites for everything are never going to break out of this vicious cycle. As the old saying goes, God helps those who help themselves.
 

UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)

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This is a protest:

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bbsam

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I've frequently seen commentators on FOX say of course they have the right to protest. No one is taking away their right to. It's a matter of whether they should and if it's the appropriate place to do so. Kaepernick started this but it's an offshoot of the "Stop, don't shoot" movement that a number of NFL players participated in before Kaepernick ever sat or took a knee. Michael Brown didn't get executed on his knees, and Blacks have a lot more to be worried about from their own brethren than from White America. But things have been twisted so now we all are confronted with the spectacle of Blacks believing they must confront White America and it's injustice.
No, van. We of the black community are so very appreciative that y'all no longer put us in chains and whip the crap outta us. Mighty kind of ya...

But your post drips with patronizing racism. That "whites" have been doing so much for the lazy "blacks" sitting in the ghettos, doing drugs and waiting for a handout? Is that really the picture you are painting? That's the crap we've been putting up with for decades. It's what gets us pulled over for "driving while black".
 

BakerMayfield2018

Fight the power.
No, van. We of the black community are so very appreciative that y'all no longer put us in chains and whip the crap outta us. Mighty kind of ya...

But your post drips with patronizing racism. That "whites" have been doing so much for the lazy "blacks" sitting in the ghettos, doing drugs and waiting for a handout? Is that really the picture you are painting? That's the crap we've been putting up with for decades. It's what gets us pulled over for "driving while black".
I am seriously lmao imagining your face typing that out. Lol.
 
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