On Topic: UPS attempting to terminate newer driver after filing grievances

[OrlandoCitySC]

He's just a low seniority driver who covers routes and bids on drivers' routes that are posted for more than a week of vacation. He has 9.5 protection this way as well.

You got it. Whatever it takes to get the 9.5 protection.

 

[By The Book]

But if no back pay, I will insist that all the triple time from my grievances filed from before be processed and paid immediately.

The company wants to trade the stealing time grievance for your overtime grievances. If this happens make sure you are paid for this time off/back pay. If they push it to Seattle it's definitely back pay. They want you to give up two big amounts of pay for an accusation that's weak.

 

[OrlandoCitySC]

Seven grievances?

I have filed the grand total of one in 28 years.

You can expect part of your return to work agreement to be the retraction of all 7 of those grievances.

And you wonder why they were following you?

Highly doubt it. But one in 28 years? Wow. You either work at the best Center in the USA (in which case every driver at my Center is jealous) or are just fine with getting bullied. But if the latter, the way I was brought up, if you are getting bullied, you don't just stand there and let them repeatedly punch you in the face unprovoked, you knock them out.

 

[By The Book]

But if no back pay, I will insist that all the triple time from my grievances filed from before be processed and paid immediately.

The company wants to trade the stealing time grievance for your overtime grievances. If this happens make sure you are paid for this time off/back pay. If they push it to Seattle it's definitely back pay. They want you to give up two big amounts of pay for an accusation that's weak.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Definitely not bullied.

The grievance was over a vacation check payroll error and was corrected in a timely manner.

All of the other issues were resolved without the need to put pen to paper.

 

[OrlandoCitySC]

The company wants to trade the stealing time grievance for your overtime grievances. If this happens make sure you are paid for this time off/back pay. If they push it to Seattle it's definitely back pay. They want you to give up two big amounts of pay for an accusation that's weak.

Exactly. That's actually what my union rep is thinks they're thinking.

 

[Brownslave688]

The moral to this story is....

If you are going to file grievances, you better bring your "A" game.

Exactly. If you want to push the issues don't turn around and do stupid right after.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Exactly. That's actually what my union rep is thinks they're thinking.

I think you are young and arrogant and more than likely.... soon to be unemployed.

 

[OrlandoCitySC]

Definitely not bullied.

The grievance was over a vacation check payroll error and was corrected in a timely manner.

All of the other issues were resolved without the need to put pen to paper.

Sounds like really nice Center then. It's the opposite at my Center. The new Center Manager started way down on preload, then moved up to preload sup etc. etc.

Many of the most senior drivers have know him since they were all just youngins working preload together and used to all be close and really great friends. But now none of the driver's can stand him and do not talk to him anymore because it's this kind of assault on the drivers all the time. They all say I just drew the short straw this year because I'm newer and they do not like me standing my ground.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Exactly. If you want to push the issues don't turn around and do stupid right after.

These guys don't understand that
Too much technology they can burn you with



We can thank Hoffa for that


Right @BigUnionGuy ??

 

[Brownslave688]

Going in, taking a leak, washing up, going out and then punching to go back inside would not be considered stealing time?

AND taking 10 minutes to do it????


2-3 minutes and no one bats an eye. 10 minutes every day and you get a termination letter like the op.

 

[Brisket]

Perhaps but I'm not the one sitting at home waiting for the chance to convince a group of strangers that your decision to take a dump on the clock was a wise one.

Maybe you should start a GoFundMe page.

It worked for that kid who was at the last debate

 

[Brownslave688]

I do think that they will offer this to me but we'll see what happens. Center Level hearing is next after grievances are all filed and then if nothing resolves there it goes to the panel in Seattle.

The stickler here to me is still that they decided to begin following me around less than 24 hours after I filed a total of seven grievances. Clear harassment and retaliation. So if they want to offer no back pay fine, I don't care. It's only been 4 days and I've already completed four semi-major house renovation projects I needed to get done before winter and couldn't before because of the repeated 14-hour days.

But if no back pay, I will insist that all the triple time from my grievances filed from before be processed and paid immediately.

You're obviously new here.


Take the job back when offered. Keep your mouth shut your head down and do what told for the next 5/6 months.

 

[OrlandoCitySC]

I think you are young and arrogant and more than likely.... soon to be unemployed.

Not young in fact. And definitely old enough to know when I'm being maliciously attacked over unfounded claims. A leech has more backbone than anyone in management at my Center. Used to be in journalism, an investigation I did in Arizona led to the mayor of Phoenix promptly resigning after we proved he was trying to break up the local city bus driver's union and give the transportation contracts to his mistresses employer.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Not young in fact. And definitely old enough to know when I'm being maliciously attacked over unfounded claims. A leech has more backbone than anyone in management at my Center. Used to be in journalism, an investigation I did in Arizona led to the mayor of Phoenix promptly resigning after we proved he was trying to break up the local city bus driver's union and give the transportation contracts to his mistresses employer.

I've been doing this job way too long. Seen many just like you come and go.

You better eat some humble pie and straighten out your act.

 

[Brownslave688]

I don't if that's the way I'll be treated. But it's fine until an IT position becomes available within or somewhere else. Or something else better suited for my degrees. Hard to say. No one should have to endure such treatment though. No one. What happened to a world of work where everyone respected each other like when my grandfather was in the prime of his working days? Sad if you ask me.

The sad reality is this is called working at ups. Some people aren't cut out for it. You sound like you may be one of those people.


At the very least you need to learn to play the game much better.

 

[Dracula]

Huge wall of text but I think I know what is going on here.

Technically they are correct in that if you stop at a place of business open to the public for the sole purpose of using the restroom that you need to do so either while on one of your paid breaks or during your unpaid lunch break.

Technically the termination appears to be justified.

Is it retaliation? Absolutely.

You put a huge target on your back and they hit the bulls eye.

You DO NOT have to clock out or use meal/break time to use the restroom. It's against the law, PERIOD.

 

[Brownslave688]

You DO NOT have to clock out or use meal/break time to use the restroom. It's against the law, PERIOD.

Actually from what I've read weather you're to be paid or not isn't covered under any law. Only that you have the right to use the restroom.

 

[OrlandoCitySC]

I've been doing this job way too long. Seen many just like you come and go.

You better eat some humble pie and straighten out your act.

Been straight as an arrow my entire life. Thought this site was a place where UPSers get together and back up one another. Starting to see it for what it really is for the most part, and that's a place where even people who are supposed to be on the same team can instead bash each other and insult each other instead of sticking together and encouraging one another.

If I straighten out my act in any way, shape or form, it will be deleting my Brown Cafe account.

But thanks to all those who understand as does every single driver at my Center has been. I've received calls from literally almost every single driver at my Center telling me everyone's pissed they're doing this and that it's complete BS.

This is my last post, on any topic. Thanks and god bless.

 

[Dracula]

Because most of the time the employee in question is not being nitpicked.

Technically if you stop at Taco Bell just to take a leak you are supposed to either be on a paid break or unpaid meal break. If you make a delivery there and stop to take a leak you can do so on the clock.

Nope. The only way they can legally get you is if you spend money while on the clock. Again, it is against the law, not the contract, but the law to be required to clock out to use the restroom. UPS is in lawsuit territory here. Not that they're smart enough to care, but there, they are.