ORION discipline

[wayfair]

Drivers are truly STUPID when it comes to this issue. They argue they are not following ORION because it makes no sense. Just follow ORION and shut up. If you have missed business, Oh well you were working as directed. Man some of the battles you guys choose are just retarded.

yea, missed businesses... good one... gotta warning letter for that too.

 

[soberups]

yea, missed businesses... good one... gotta warning letter for that too.

I would be happy to follow ORION 100% if they would put it in writing that I wont face discipline for missed stops, missed pickups, late air or running out of fuel at 10:00 at night.

They wont do that of course, so since I am still responsible for all service failures that might occur I will also be responsible for deciding whether or not to follow ORION.

 

[jumpman23]

was told you're supposed to break off to make business stops.

There's a driver on working termination because of Orion.

The suspension has gone to local panel to later be heard in Dallas, then last Friday they hit him with the working termination

I smell lawsuit lol.

 

[soberups]

When they start to seriously discipline for Orion....drivers won't be able to turn Orion off in their boards...

If we had lost the ability to turn ORION off last peak, then instead of 7500 missed stops on Christmas eve it would have been about 75,000.

 

[brownmonster]

My center has not got orion yet but if the stories on this forum are true why haven't the shareholders said something? We have missed expectations recently with our quarterly profits and nobody seems to bring up excessive hours due to Orion's failures

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Do you read the press releases? This saves us millions of miles a year. Lol.

 

[Brownslave688]

Do you read the press releases? This saves us millions of miles a year. Lol.

Any managements biggest downfall is failing to see when something just doesn't work. Ups seems to have a lot of that.

I mean we have spent billions implementing a system that in turn is causing management to tell driver "use your best judgement" "make it work". These are things drivers have been doing on their own for over 100 years without billions wasted.

 

[wayfair]

I was told, it's not about service, it's about saving miles...UPS proposed to reduce emissions by 20 percent by 2015, yet ORION nets me 10-15 miles over, with a 95.6 percent.,..bad investment

 

[ZQXC]

Any managements biggest downfall is failing to see when something just doesn't work. Ups seems to have a lot of that.

They know it doesn't work but since the culture of this company is based on fear and intimidation, the front line operation managers at the bottom of the food chain will remain silent.

 

[Ron Carey lives on]

Working terminations, thats a joke. That usually means they don't really want to fire the person, but want t scare the rest of the center.

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[Jones]

Working terminations, thats a joke. That usually means they don't really want to fire the person, but want t scare the rest of the center.

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Don't treat them like a joke. I've seen several people lose their jobs because they forgot to grieve a working termination.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

Don't treat them like a joke. I've seen several people lose their jobs because they forgot to grieve a working termination.

I have to scratch my head on that one.... wondering how it could happen.

My supplement doesn't have anything like that.


It would be like not grieving a Article 10 letter.

(for a bad DR.... when the company tries to insinuate the driver is at fault)


There are Local's that automatically protest a discharge (with a grievance) on the members behalf.


But, I am guessing that doesn't happen in RTW states.



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[UnconTROLLed]

It does not matter if ORION 'works' according to hourlies. If it gives the employee less autonomy and management more control mechanisms via technology, it will be done.

 

[Jones]

I have to scratch my head on that one.... wondering how it could happen.

My supplement doesn't have anything like that.


It would be like not grieving a Article 10 letter.

(for a bad DR.... when the company tries to insinuate the driver is at fault)


There are Local's that automatically protest a discharge (with a grievance) on the members behalf.


But, I am guessing that doesn't happen in RTW states.



-Bug-

It happens when the company is throwing a lot of Art 7's at a member for whatever reason. Typically you grieve them and eventually you go upstairs and settle it but if you don't grieve it within 7 days then it's game over, you're gone.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

It happens when the company is throwing a lot of Art 7's at a member for whatever reason. Typically you grieve them and eventually you go upstairs and settle it but if you don't grieve it within 7 days then it's game over, you're gone.

Ive seen It happen before. at the same time,people wont even vote on a contract.
Its too hard to put an X on a ballot and shove it in the mailbox.

A grievance form,is way too much work,I guess?!?

 

[BigUnionGuy]

It happens when the company is throwing a lot of Art 7's at a member for whatever reason. Typically you grieve them and eventually you go upstairs and settle it but if you don't grieve it within 7 days then it's game over, you're gone.

That is a good reason to grieve everything.

CYA



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[BigUnionGuy]

Its too hard to put an X on a ballot and shove it in the mailbox.

And it's a prepaid envelope.

WTF ?



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[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

And it's a prepaid envelope.

WTF ?



-Bug-

You have to admit,38% is a piss poor turn out.
How can you NOT vote,on the next 5 years of your life?

 

[BigUnionGuy]

You have to admit,38% is a piss poor turn out.
How can you NOT vote,on the next 5 years of your life?

It's embarrassing.


The company knows what the "historic" voting percentage of UPS members is.

They bring that to the table in negoiations.


Thanks TDU.... for being the first ones to publish that.



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[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

It's embarrassing.


The company knows what the "historic" voting percentage of UPS members is.

They bring that to the table in negoiations.


Thanks TDU.... for being the first ones to publish that.



-Bug-

I know you are a hoffa fan.
And we dont agree on that!.....but!

He has done alot of damage.
We worked really hard to get everybody to vote.

This was the first contract,for many first time voters.

When he declared impasse,they said why should we even bother to vote?

Sad,sad day!
5 steps backward!

 

[oldngray]

Voting has always been around 1/3 or so. I can't remember an election when even half of the eligible people voted. It is sad but too many people either are too lazy or just don't care about the future.