DELACROIX
In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier
I understand what you are saying.. but as General President .. He would the be only one that can make that decision...
Oz vs Vairma
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I understand what you are saying.. but as General President .. He would the be only one that can make that decision...
542thruNthru
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The decision not to open the Ohio Rider? I don't know if that's accurate. Again I'd have to defer to @Bubblehead on that one.
Exactly
Several of the OZ crew were vp’s at negotiation time to include Tony Jones and others. Now they are all the sudden going to fix everything. Also, several OZ people were on all the negotiating committees. Don’t buy in to the lies they are feeding you. Educate yourselves.
Bubblehead
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@542thruNthru you already answered @DELACROIX question....
....the Ohio Rider wasn't voted on in 2018 because it wasn't opened by the Union or the Company, so there was
nothing to vote on.
Bubblehead
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Was Tony Jones appointed by Hoffa to the UPS National Negotiating Committee in 2018?
Bubblehead
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I would think the Ohio Conference Chairman would have a lot to say about whether or not the Ohio Rider was to be opened or not, but honestly I am not sure???
....but in hindsight, knowing what happened in the last two election cycles in regards to rejected contracts, supplements and riders being imposed (even when voted down), why would anybody chose to open it absent a glaring need?
542thruNthru
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I can see what you mean. Opening it opens a chance that something else bad can be put in but at the same time every little thing that needs improved language doesn't get fixed either.
Personally my mindset is.
You can't make the shots you don't take.
Bubblehead
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Depends on who's ball you're shooting, unless you don't have a conscience.
Have you ever read the Ohio Rider?
542thruNthru
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No I don't believe I've ever read it. Usually the only way I read one is when someone has a question pertaining to their Supp/Rider.
Don't seem to get many Ohio Rider questions on here.
DELACROIX
In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier
For good reasons..
542thruNthru
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What reasons are those?
DELACROIX
In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier
If the members affected cannot even vote on the rider (good or bad) what does that say to the rest of our membership.
Bubblehead
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How many layers of autonomous contractual language do you think is necessary?
My local is governed by four documents on this list in small package division alone.
UPS Agreements, 2018 – 2023
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Bubblehead
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The Ohio Rider was voted on and ratified when it was last opened and negotiated in 2013 (on the third attempt).
Why would it be subject to a vote again in 2018 if it wasn't opened or renegotiated?
542thruNthru
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Mine has 4 also. I like layers. It's come in handy for us many times. Especially when it comes to workday workweek, break/meals and 22.4sHow many layers of contractual language do you think is necessary?
My local is governed by four on this list in small package alone.
UPS Agreements, 2018 – 2023
The following links are to PDF files of the printed contract books. These documents are also available, in searchable format, on the UPS Rising app, available o
DELACROIX
In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier
@Bubblehead ..I do not have the knowledge base you have, can you define “opened”. Was there any formal negotiations over any of the Ohio Rider language, or did both sides decided to skip it.
The Rider still exists so it was not nullified.
Bubblehead
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So we are bargaining "collectively",....and "autonomously",....on numerous regional and local levels, under a "National Master Agreement"???
Sounds like the definition of an oxymoron to me.
It's no wonder we can't all get together, which is the only thing that will make it all work in the end.
542thruNthru
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Problem is too many areas don't want someone putting their spoon in their pot. It's politics if you ask me. If we all came together many people would lose power.
If we can't even get our pensions together I highly doubt will ever be under one contract.
Bubblehead
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Per labor law, either side has to petition (for lack of the actual legal term) to "open" the agreement (contract) to be renegotiated....
....otherwise the agreement remains in effect (letters of record and memorandums of understandings included) until the next applicable cycle concludes.
If the Ohio Rider was not renegotiated (which it wasn't in 2018, they skipped it), then it would not need to be re-voted legally in accordance with the National Labor Relations Act of 1935 and The Taft-Hartley Act etc.
National Labor Relations Act of 1935 - Wikipedia
Taft–Hartley Act - Wikipedia
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