PEE-WEE Buttigieg?
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BrownFlush
Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
My arguments were decent enough that you once again deflect and run.
Answer the question. Pitiful.
Ask the hetero in the military taking a shower if circular reasoning had anything to do with what happened to him.
Ask the parent how much circular reasoning is involved in what they have to address.
Ask the girl that was molested in a public restroom by a p carrying identifying female about the circular reasoning.
No harm? lol
Are you queer? You seem to be flaming up. Easy now.
Give it up for WrongDong. He owns it.
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eats packages
Deranged lunatic
Sometimes I think of Republicanism as two of a similar "boogieman".
One is fear that a change in society as a whole leads to harm, but at no cause of any one individual.
The other is fear that certain individuals are capable of harm, but at no cause of societal influences.
It also permeates most of mainstream Democrats (hence why we often coin them as a coalition) including Pete Buttigieg.
He is terrible. Let's not cut any corners. Pete is actively trying to destroy the queer community he haphazardly been injected into. But that itself is not an individual choice. Nobody is capable of simply changing sexuality.
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newfie
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to summarize once society accepts sexual practices they at the time determine to be deviant the left never celebrates and stops. they then look to push the envelope by getting the next form of what society views as deviant accepted. its a waterfall of deviancy acceptance that never stops until the pendulum is pushed too far and swings back the other way. when that return swing happens then those who have been outraged and pushed back can expect to be accused of being some type of 'phobe"
the process of the pendulum swing should be accepted by all as a normal settling of societies values into what the majority can learn to accept but never is.
BrownFlush
Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
Alllllright.
Another who joins the ranks of "born that way with no choice "
You're in good company here with other idiots bro.
Seymour Packages
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Oh yes, the good old "throw a stone and hide your hand."
According to your flawed point of view, 9/11 is irrelevant history. "Garbage", if you will. The fact of the matter is the largest and most powerful military in the history of the world belongs to a Christian nation. The only nation ever use a nuclear weapon, is a so called Christian nation. The long term effects of US meddling and neo colonialism around the world is relevant history that causes a reaction by all those affected. Then, when countries rebel against the will of the US, they are destabilized, "sanctioned", or invaded under some false flag operation that costs the lives of poor and middle class soldiers. The media paints thee current enemy as monsters to drum up public support for the profitable US war machine. Run a few Wounded Warrior commercials for the soldiers coming home from endless and pointless wars. Wash, rinse, repeat. These are the facts.
A murderer could not stand before a judge after raping, pillaging, and killing hundreds only to argue that his actions were in the past and therefore exempt himself from all culpability. That's illogical.
newfie
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so radical islamic terrorism is not a threat because of the points you make about a christian nation?
Seymour Packages
Well-Known Member
The percentages don't add up. If the majority of Muslims were radicalized, the carnage would be worse. The majority of Muslims do not actively seek to harm people that do not share their faith. They want to live in peace, raise their families, serve God as they wish, and prosper. As do most Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, and people the world over. Is there a history of terrorist attacks carried out by factions using a sick understanding of their faith to justify their actions? Yes. But the percentage in relation to almost 2 billion Muslims around the world is small. What's more, no religion is free from radicals. Most bloodshed throughout history has been over control of resources and religion. No one is blameless.
You'd have a point if all of those other nations were innocent actors. The Taliban harbored Al-Qaeda leadership as well as were extremely oppressive to their own people. Hussein didn't have anything to do with 9/11 but he did sponsor terror against Israel and threatened to stop accepting Dollars for his oil which was probably what got us in there. Hindsight being 20/20 probably should have left him alone. And we all know that Iran is the world's biggest state sponsor of terror as well as actively seeking to build a nuclear weapon. But just so you know, I'm currently in a country with a 60% Muslim majority although most people here aren't active adherents. And I traveled to two majority Muslim countries in 2018. Not every conservative views all Muslims as terrorists who just haven't struck yet.
Not all Muslims are terrorists. But a significant portion of Muslims support the actions of those who strike against the West. Money flows to Al-Qaeda. ISIS at it's peak drew young Muslim men from all over the world to fight for them, including from the U.S. What I don't see right now are secretive Christian organizations dedicated to attacking, terrorizing, and destroying Islam. Is that true in the Muslim world? And remember they are an equal opportunity destroyer which have attacked not only Christians but every other belief system in the world including atheists.
BrownFlush
Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
Sounds like a few moooslims need to brush up on their unholy reading.There is no "radical" here. You either believe this s
t or you don't. If you don't and claim to, you are a hypocrite or you are no muslim.The Quran contains at least 109 verses that speak of war with nonbelievers, usually on the basis of their status as non-Muslims. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.
Just a few of the 109..
Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"
Quran (8:12) - "(Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels... "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle, given that it both followed and preceded confrontations in which non-Muslims were killed by Muslims. The targets of violence are "those who disbelieve" - further defi
Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."
Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah" S
Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."
Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."
Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."
Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."
Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." Ac
Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people."
Quran (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant." The Arabic word interpreted as "striving" in this verse is the same root as "Jihad". The context is obviously holy war.
Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"
Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place."
Quran (9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew." See also the verse that follows (9:42) - "If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them"
Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination."
Quran (9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper."
Quran (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): t
Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness." (See also: Response to Apologists)
Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction.
Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)...
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
Sahih Muslim (19:4294) - "Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war.
Sahih Muslim (31:5918) - "I will fight them until they are like us."
Sunan an-Nasa'i (Sahih) "Whoever dies without having fought or thought of fighting, he dies on one of the branches of hypocrisy"
Tabari 9:69 "Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us" The words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam.
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Seymour Packages
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A significant number of Christians support the US military abroad regardless of the atrocities it commits. That doesn't necessarily translate to direct action.
In regards to those that join and support radical factions: Any people that feel they are oppressed will join a cause. Especially if they feel they can take out their frustration on those they feel are responsible. It's even worse if they are young and impressionable. Look at the surge in Christians that joined and supported radical, racist organizations just after Reconstruction in the South and during subsequent decades leading up to the 1960s. Dejected Confederate soldiers and enraged Southerners that saw their land pillaged and burned. The overwhelming majority of Southerners hated Reconstruction and the new order of things that they felt was forced on them after the Civil War. Poverty and desperation create the perfect breeding ground for radicalization.
Seymour Packages
Well-Known Member
Sounds like a few moooslims need to brush up on their unholy reading.There is no "radical" here. You either believe this s
The Quran contains at least 109 verses that speak of war with nonbelievers, usually on the basis of their status as non-Muslims. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.
Just a few of the 109..
Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"
Quran (8:12) - "(Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels... "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle, given that it both followed and preceded confrontations in which non-Muslims were killed by Muslims. The targets of violence are "those who disbelieve" - further defined in the next verse (13) as those who "defy and disobey Allah." Nothing is said about self-defense. In fact, the verses in sura 8 were narrated shortly after a battle provoked by Muhammad, who had been trying to attack a lightly-armed caravan to steal goods belonging to other people. (See also: Response to Apologists)
Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."
Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah" Some translations interpret "fitna" as "persecution", but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for 2:193). The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during the pilgrimage. Other Muslims were allowed to travel there - but not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, as it was Muhammad's intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for Allah", meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition. According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that "Allah must have no rivals." (See also: Response to Apologists)
Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."
Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."
Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy." As Ibn Kathir puts it in his tafsir on this passage, "Allah commands Muslims to prepare for war against disbelievers, as much as possible, according to affordability and availability." (See also: Response to Apologists)
Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."
Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence at the time of Muhammad was to convert to Islam: prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion's Five Pillars. The popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack. Had they been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months). The historical context is Mecca afterthe idolaters were subjugated by Muhammad and posed no threat. Once the Muslims had power, they violently evicted those unbelievers who would not convert. (See also: Response to Apologists)
[Note: The verse says to fight unbelievers "wherever you find them". Even if the context is a time of battle (which it was not) the reading appears to sanction attacks against those "unbelievers" who are not on the battlefield. In 2016, the Islamic State referred to this verse in urging the faithful to commit terror attacks: Allah did not only command the 'fighting' of disbelievers, as if to say He only wants us to conduct frontline operations against them. Rather, He has also ordered that they be slain wherever they may be – on or off the battlefield. (source)]
Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people."
Quran (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant." The Arabic word interpreted as "striving" in this verse is the same root as "Jihad". The context is obviously holy war.
Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status. Verse 9:33 tells Muslims that Allah has instructed them to make Islam "superior over all religions." This chapter was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths. (See also: Response to Apologists)
Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!" (See also: Response to Apologists)
Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place." This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell. The verse also links physical fighting to the "cause of Allah" (or "way of Allah"). (See also: Response to Apologists)
Quran (9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew." See also the verse that follows (9:42) - "If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them" This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and - in this case - on Christian soil, according to the historians). (See also: Response to Apologists)
Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination." Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that unbelievers are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter. It explains why today's devout Muslims generally have little regard for those outside the faith. The inclusion of "hypocrites" (non-practicing) within the verse also contradicts the apologist's defense that the targets of hate and hostility are wartime foes, since there was never an opposing army made up of non-religious Muslims in Muhammad's time. (See also Games Muslims Play: Terrorists Can't Be Muslim Because They Kill Muslims for the role this verse plays in Islam's perpetual internal conflicts). (See also: Response to Apologists)
Quran (9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper." (See also: Response to Apologists)
Quran (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme." How does the Quran define a true believer? (See also: Response to Apologists)
Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness." (See also: Response to Apologists)
Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction.
Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)...
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
Sahih Muslim (19:4294) - "Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war.
Sahih Muslim (31:5918) - "I will fight them until they are like us."
Sunan an-Nasa'i (Sahih) "Whoever dies without having fought or thought of fighting, he dies on one of the branches of hypocrisy"
Tabari 9:69 "Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us" The words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam.
I will prepare a similar post for you out of your sacred Bible. A book that advocated the eradication of entire populations, women and children included, because they didn't submit to the God of Israel, stoning, banishment, and misogyny. I am glad you have taken the time to read and research the holy Quran. May it bring you peace in your spiritual journey.
BrownArmy
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No one (no one serious) is pushing sex with children or animals.
The idea that ‘mainstreaming’ homosexuality, which has been around forever, is going to lead us down a deviant rabbit hole is ridiculous.
BrownFlush
Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
Please attempt to do it out of the New Testament.
The last will and testament of Jesus The Christ written to and for both Jew and Gentile.
The OT was written to the Jew, for the Jew, and reasons and purposes unique to the Jew.
The OT was abolished at the cross.
We ALL are under NT law.
BrownFlush
Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
Thanks. I have the peace. It just doesn't read well in the unholy quran.
It can only be found ONLY in Christ Jesus.
"And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.…" --Phil 4:7
Seymour Packages
Well-Known Member
You can not pick and choose the parts of your holy book to accept and follow. If it was included in the Bible, it serves a purpose. Either to instruct, reprove, teach. (2 Timothy 3:16). God has not changed. The same God that commanded those things in the times of Israel is the same God that Christians claim to serve today. Christ was the end of the Mosaic law, yes. Christ preached love, yes. I would argue that a so called Christian nation that practices endless war is more closely aligned with the Jews of the Old Testament than with the loving message of Christ.
Boywondr
The truth never changes.
What ever makes you feel better.
Again you're framing it as a reaction to the U.S. invading Iraq, etc. Terrorism happened long before we did that and not only against us but across Africa, in India, China, and elsewhere. And long before there was a United States Muslim armies marched against Europe and across Asia. Repeatedly for centuries. The Crusades were a reaction to Muslims conquering the Holy Lands. What were once Christian lands were conquered by Muslims. The Ottoman Empire out of Turkey marched across southeast Europe and almost made it to Italy and as far north as Russia and Ukraine. And other Muslims as far East as Indonesia and the Philippines. The Muslims didn't send missionaries, they sent armies. And that mindset permeates a percentage of their people today. But I also know for a fact that many are born into Christian families who don't believe or are at best agnostic. No doubt that's true with Muslims too. Might be dangerous in some countries to speak out against Islam. OK, no might about it. But in other Muslim countries, primarily due to communism, most of Muslim heritage are secular and non practicing or as in Malaysia are of a much more peaceful sect. It's not black and white. But let's not defend terrorism and let's not assume all U.S. military actions are unjust and terroristic too.
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So gay pride parades are just a bunch of sweet kids having fun?
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