But they really don't want that now, do they?
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But they really don't want that now, do they?
Nimnim
The Nim
The Republican leadership? No I don't really think they want to, I do believe the majority of American citizens do though.-
But they will change their mind when it's fully implemented? Brings us back to the original point. Why not let it be fully implemented and the republican party wins huge...if Obamacare really is that unpopular.
Nimnim
The Nim
I am not sure, I'm not a mind reader. I view Obamacare as a failure. Health care reform can be done, but I just cannot see it working with the Affordable Healthcare Act. It would be nice if the Republican leadership was letting it be implemented just to watch it fail, but I think the leadership wants Obamacare. If they really wanted it to fail and put something that might work in place they wouldn't have allowed the extensions and would have cut the funding. Or at least made an effort instead of token votes that beyond one are just pandering.
I don't see how Obamacare can fail. First, it's not yet implemented so we can't know if it has failed and second there is nothing stopping the American population from insistin on changes to parts the don't like about it once it is implemented. The thing I find most interesting about people who are upset about companies cutting hours supposedly because of Obamacare is their willingness to accept that explanation. Alot of companies simply see this as a way to pad the bottom line and many Democrats and businesses see it as finally having a path out of the health insurance expectation. Corporate America has been looking for that for decades. Remember Obama satin if you like the coverage you have you can keep it? Seems the people PAYING for that coverage would rather not.
Upsmule
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Oh really?
Irony, anyone? .....coming from the bureaucrat crooks (currently covering up "phony scandals') that will be IMPLEMENTING this train wreck on the rest of us???
IRS employee union: We don’t want Obamacare | WashingtonExaminer.com
Upsmule
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"Like most other federal workers, IRS employees currently get their health insurance through the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program, which also covers members of Congress.House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Dave Camp offered the bill in response to reports of congressional negotiations that would exempt lawmakers and their staff from Obamacare.
“Camp has long believed every American ought to be exempt from the law, which is why he supports full repeal,” Camp spokeswoman Allie Walker said.
“If the Obamacare exchanges are good enough for the hardworking Americans and small businesses the law claims to help, then they should be good enough for the president, vice president, Congress and federal employees,” she also said."
“Camp has long believed every American ought to be exempt from the law, which is why he supports full repeal,” Camp spokeswoman Allie Walker said.
“If the Obamacare exchanges are good enough for the hardworking Americans and small businesses the law claims to help, then they should be good enough for the president, vice president, Congress and federal employees,” she also said."
By the same logic, don't the hardworking people of America deserve the same high quality care that the president, congress, and federal employees enjoy? Welcome to Single Payer.
Upsmule
Well-Known Member
So those clowns in Washington deserve far better than the working stiff? I'm sorry. I had no idea you were such an elitist pig.
Nimnim
The Nim
I took some time to think about how to respond to this after getting some sleep. I'm still not completely comfortable with my responses, mainly because I'm not sure how to word it, and second some of what you say I see as an opinion I don't know how to respond to.
You say it's not implemented yet, which is partially true. Some parts have been put into action, others are scheduled later, and others have been given extensions to their implementation.
You also say "there is nothing stopping the American population from insistin on changes to parts the don't like about it once it is implemented." To me if this was a viable option, this law wouldn't be in place as it is. If the American population were able to weigh in on the law before it was passed we'd have much less issues with it. As I see it, even if things are implemented and the American populous has a problem with it, the lawmakers in power will ignore the concerns, much like they did when the law was being passed.
The rest of your post feels like a halfhearted semi talking point driven series of statements. I'm sure I could argue more, but it just doesn't feel coherent in response.
moreluck
golden ticket member
BEST SUMMATION OF BARACK AND MICHELLE EVER!
Mychal
Massie is a respected writer and talk show host in Los Angeles . The other evening on my
twitter, a person asked me why I didn't like the Obama's? Specifically I was
asked: "I have to ask, why do you hate the Obama's? It seems personal, not
policy related. You even dissed (disrespect) their Christmas family
picture."
The truth is I do not like the Obamas, what they represent,
their ideology, and I certainly do not like his policies and legislation. I've
made no secret of my contempt for the Obamas. As I responded to the person who
asked me the aforementioned question, I don't like them because they are
committed to the fundamental change of my/our country into what can only be
regarded as a Communist state.
I don't hate them per definition, but I
condemn them because they are the worst kind of racialists, they are elitist
Leninists with contempt for traditional America . They display disrespect for
the sanctity of the office he holds, and for those who are willing to admit
same, Michelle Obama's raw contempt for white America is transpicuous. I don't
like them because they comport themselves as emperor and empress.
I
expect, no I demand respect, for the Office of President and a love of our
country and her citizenry from the leader entrusted with the governance of same.
President and Mrs. Reagan displayed an unparalleled love for the country and her
people.
The Reagan's made Americans feel good about themselves and about
what we could accomplish. Obama's arrogance by appointing 32 leftist czars and
constantly bypassing congress is impeachable. Eric Holder is probably the MOST
incompetent and arrogant DOJ head to ever hold the job. Could you envision
President Reagan instructing his Justice Department to act like jack-booted
thugs?
Presidents are politicians and all politicians are known and
pretty much expected to manipulate the truth, if not outright lie, but even
using that low standard, the Obama's have taken lies, dishonesty, deceit,
mendacity, subterfuge and obfuscation to new depths. They are verbally abusive
to the citizenry, and they display an animus for civility.
I do not like
them, because they both display bigotry overtly, as in the case of Harvard
Professor Louis Gates, when he accused the Cambridge Police of acting stupidly,
and her code speak pursuant to not being able to be proud of America . I view
that statement and that mindset as an insult to those who died to provide a
country where a Kenyan, his illegal alien relatives, and his alleged progeny,
could come and not only live freely, but rise to the highest, most powerful,
position in the world.
Michelle Obama is free to hate and disparage
whites because Americans of every description paid with their blood to ensure
her right to do same. I have a saying, that "the only reason a person hides
things, is because they have something to hide." No president in history has
spent millions of dollars to keep his records and his past sealed.
And
what the two of them have shared has been proved to be lies. He lied about when
and how they met, he lied about his mother's death and problems with insurance,
Michelle lied to a crowd pursuant to nearly $500,000 bank stocks they inherited
from his family. He has lied about his father's military service, about the
civil rights movement, ad nausea. He lied to the world about the Supreme Court
in a State of the Union address. He berated and publicly insulted a sitting
Congressman. He has surrounded himself with the most rabidly, radical, socialist
academicians today.
He opposed rulings that protected women and children
that even Planned Parenthood did not seek to support. He is openly hostile to
business and aggressively hostile to Israel . His wife treats being the First
Lady as her personal American Express Black Card (arguably the most prestigious
credit card in the world). I condemn them because, as people are suffering,
losing their homes, their jobs, their retirements, he and his family are
arrogantly showing off their life of entitlement - as he goes about creating and
fomenting class warfare.
I don't like them, and I neither apologize nor
retreat from my public condemnation of them and of his policies. We should
condemn them for the disrespect they show our people, for his willful and
unconstitutional actions pursuant to obeying the Constitutional parameters he is
bound by, and his willful disregard for Congressional authority.
Dislike
for them has nothing to do with the color of their skin; it has everything to do
with their behavior, attitudes, and policies. And I have open scorn for their
constantly playing the race card.
I could go on, but let me conclude
with this. I condemn in the strongest possible terms the media for refusing to
investigate them, as they did President Bush and President Clinton, and for
refusing to label them for what they truly are. There is no scenario known to
man, whereby a white president and his wife could ignore laws, flaunt their
position, and lord over the people, as these two are permitted out of fear for
their color.
As I wrote in a syndicated column titled, "Nero In The
White House" - "Never in my life, inside or outside of politics, have I
witnessed such dishonesty in a political leader. He is the most mendacious
political figure I have ever witnessed. Even by the low standards of his
presidential predecessors, his narcissistic, contumacious arrogance is
unequalled. Using Obama as the bar, Nero would have to be elevated to
sainthood...
Many in America wanted to be proud when the first person of
color was elected president, but instead, they have been witness to a congenital
liar, a woman who has been ashamed of America her entire life, failed policies,
intimidation, and a commonality hitherto not witnessed in political leaders. He
and his wife view their life at our expense as an entitlement - while America 's
people go homeless, hungry and unemployed."
--
"The democracy will cease
to exist when you take away from those that are willing to work and give to
those who would not"
moreluck
golden ticket member
Upsmule
Well-Known Member
"I don't like them, and I neither apologize nor
retreat from my public condemnation of them and of his policies. We should
condemn them for the disrespect they show our people, for his willful and
unconstitutional actions pursuant to obeying the Constitutional parameters he is
bound by, and his willful disregard for Congressional authority."
Hear hear....on liberal ostrich grounds, yeah, I'm a racist.
retreat from my public condemnation of them and of his policies. We should
condemn them for the disrespect they show our people, for his willful and
unconstitutional actions pursuant to obeying the Constitutional parameters he is
bound by, and his willful disregard for Congressional authority."
Hear hear....on liberal ostrich grounds, yeah, I'm a racist.
moreluck
golden ticket member
Wow, Nancy's back !!
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