Raise in new contract

[Thebrownblob]

What did you hear that is really good? I see no way this passes without a substantial raise.

Everything talked about on the call last night had nothing to do with money. Again I have seen no official release on a raise. I’ve seen rumors, and I agree with you. It needs to be substantial.

 

[oldngray]

Plus they don't realize it is benefits are not taxed
So it's a big savings to us and also big savings to the company

Not taxed ... yet. Politicians constantly look at it as a potential cash cow.

Remember when they changed the rules for IRAs right after they got started because people were saving too much non taxed income? That led to the rise of 401k's.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Your exactly right, the union and company acted like there is nothing in the books to prevent guys from being habitual no call no shows but there is, it's called progressive discipline on attendance. I also agree that if you fail to come to work and don't notify management, unless under extreme conditions, you don't want to work here and should be fired. As a steward, I can't defend an attendance problem in most cases. I just can't agree to give the company the power to strip seniority from a guy no matter what they've done. There seems like an obvious "slippery slope" with this power, and if you give UPS an inch, they take a mile.

That’s why that was a weird way to write an agreement. I can understand being terminated. I can’t understand losing seniority.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Not taxed ... yet. Politicians constantly look at it as a potential cash cow.

Remember when they changed the rules for IRAs right after they got started because people were saving too much non taxed income? That led to the rise of 401k's.

Any time the little guy finds a way to get ahead they make sure to put a stop to it.

 

[Cowboy Mac]

These are not wins. UPS has 0 problem with paying grievances. Nothing will change with this language.

Over 60 in 5 days is illegal already
Paying an extra $50 in penalty pay is not going to stop or slow down the constant over dispatch. Nothing is better for drivers with this language other than a few extra dollars on your check after taxes

Over 60 is not illegal. In feeders, you can walk up to dispatch and say hey can you switch me to 70 /8 this week? They click a button and it’s done.
The only thing stopping 70 hours for package was the union needing to approve it before the company changed your schedule every year.

UPS is going to pay you a load of money. We haven’t even seen the wages yet, but if we get a good raise, package car drivers could hit $150K a year if they’re filing every week.

 

[RangerMan06]

Over 60 is not illegal. In feeders, you can walk up to dispatch and say hey can you switch me to 70 /8 this week? They click a button and it’s done.
The only thing stopping 70 hours for package was the union needing to approve it before the company changed your schedule every year.

UPS is going to pay you a load of money. We haven’t even seen the wages yet, but if we get a good raise, package car drivers could hit $150K a year if they’re filing every week.

We legally can't drive after 60hrs in my State. Not sure about the 70 in 8

 

[oldngray]

Over 60 is not illegal. In feeders, you can walk up to dispatch and say hey can you switch me to 70 /8 this week? They click a button and it’s done.
The only thing stopping 70 hours for package was the union needing to approve it before the company changed your schedule every year.

UPS is going to pay you a load of money. We haven’t even seen the wages yet, but if we get a good raise, package car drivers could hit $150K a year if they’re filing every week.

the union never fights it when UPS wants to invoke the 70 hour rule for package drivers.

 

[9.5mania]

What did you hear that is really good? I see no way this passes without a substantial raise.

The call last night had a lot of positive developments that effect my workgroup. Increase in penalty pay for 9.5's and 8hr request, removing in cab camera, no discipline on tech. These are all things on my list to be addressed and they were. We aren't living in reality if we think the union can tell the company our guys are no longer working overtime anymore unless they want it. That's not how this works, as unpopular as it may be to say. The only thing the union can do is make it cost the company to work guys if they don't want it, which they are doing. Yes, they campaigned on no forced overtime but obviously that's politician talk, which they are. Their definition of forced overtime isn't ours. Everything agreed so far has been good, not great. If we get the raises during this contract to be between $7.5-$10, increase pension, keep insurance premiums $0, this master's will pass, and it should. I would like to see insurance age drop from 57yrs to 55yrs, but I can wait another contract for that. Yes, it isn't perfect, but so far, so good.

 

[Cowboy Mac]

We legally can't drive after 60hrs in my State. Not sure about the 70 in 8

What state is that? I thought it was Federal Law under the FMCSA that determined hours of service.

the union never fights it when UPS wants to invoke the 70 hour rule for package drivers.

I can agree with that. All I’m saying is that was the process that UPS had to do. Now with this tentative agreement over 60 is volunteer only.

 

[9.5mania]

the union never fights it when UPS wants to invoke the 70 hour rule for package drivers.

My local said to call the company and tell them you are exhausted and working over 60hrs would be unsafe
if they try to force you.

 

[Cowboy Mac]

The call last night had a lot of positive developments that effect my workgroup. Increase in penalty pay for 9.5's and 8hr request, removing in cab camera, no discipline on tech. These are all things on my list to be addressed and they were. We aren't living in reality if we think the union can tell the company our guys are no longer working overtime anymore unless they want it. That's not how this works, as unpopular as it may be to say. The only thing the union can do is make it cost the company to work guys if they don't want it, which they are doing. Yes, they campaigned on no forced overtime but obviously that's politician talk, which they are. Their definition of forced overtime isn't ours. Everything agreed so far has been good, not great. If we get the raises during this contract to be between $7.5-$10, increase pension, keep insurance premiums $0, this master's will pass, and it should. I would like to see insurance age drop from 57yrs to 55yrs, but I can wait another contract for that. Yes, it isn't perfect, but so far, so good.

I agree with you 99% of the way. However, I don’t remember them campaigning on NO forced overtime. I remember 9.5/excessive overtime, and forced 6th punch were on the list of contract issues.

 

[9.5mania]

I don't see how SOB can run on putting an end to forced overtime and then agree to this BS. This language won't stop a damn thing

I don't remember them saying that either @Cowboy Mac, but I will give @RangerMan06 the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Cowboy Mac]

My local said to call the company and tell them you are exhausted and working over 60hrs would be unsafe
if they try to force you.

That’s correct if you’re a driver you cannot be disciplined for refusing to drive while fatigued or ill under the STAA. During covid they were forcing drivers to work as helpers here after they hit 60 hours. I don’t think that would apply in that case.

 

[Thebrownblob]

The call last night had a lot of positive developments that effect my workgroup. Increase in penalty pay for 9.5's and 8hr request, removing in cab camera, no discipline on tech. These are all things on my list to be addressed and they were. We aren't living in reality if we think the union can tell the company our guys are no longer working overtime anymore unless they want it. That's not how this works, as unpopular as it may be to say. The only thing the union can do is make it cost the company to work guys if they don't want it, which they are doing. Yes, they campaigned on no forced overtime but obviously that's politician talk, which they are. Their definition of forced overtime isn't ours. Everything agreed so far has been good, not great. If we get the raises during this contract to be between $7.5-$10, increase pension, keep insurance premiums $0, this master's will pass, and it should. I would like to see insurance age drop from 57yrs to 55yrs, but I can wait another contract for that. Yes, it isn't perfect, but so far, so good.

Absolutely, the contract isn’t just about how much is on my check. Many of these work rules needed to be addressed, and by the sound of the call last night it sounds like a vast number of them were. When we find out the economic package, we will have a better picture and I will make my mind up then but so far it’s positive.

 

[Brownslave688]

The call last night had a lot of positive developments that effect my workgroup. Increase in penalty pay for 9.5's and 8hr request, removing in cab camera, no discipline on tech. These are all things on my list to be addressed and they were. We aren't living in reality if we think the union can tell the company our guys are no longer working overtime anymore unless they want it. That's not how this works, as unpopular as it may be to say. The only thing the union can do is make it cost the company to work guys if they don't want it, which they are doing. Yes, they campaigned on no forced overtime but obviously that's politician talk, which they are. Their definition of forced overtime isn't ours. Everything agreed so far has been good, not great. If we get the raises during this contract to be between $7.5-$10, increase pension, keep insurance premiums $0, this master's will pass, and it should. I would like to see insurance age drop from 57yrs to 55yrs, but I can wait another contract for that. Yes, it isn't perfect, but so far, so good.

Small note. I don’t think cameras are being removed. They just can’t be driver facing.

 

[Brown Biscuit]

No forced 6th punch or automatic no from me and many others.

 

[Jim Rockford]

The call last night had a lot of positive developments that effect my workgroup. Increase in penalty pay for 9.5's and 8hr request, removing in cab camera, no discipline on tech. These are all things on my list to be addressed and they were. We aren't living in reality if we think the union can tell the company our guys are no longer working overtime anymore unless they want it. That's not how this works, as unpopular as it may be to say. The only thing the union can do is make it cost the company to work guys if they don't want it, which they are doing. Yes, they campaigned on no forced overtime but obviously that's politician talk, which they are. Their definition of forced overtime isn't ours. Everything agreed so far has been good, not great. If we get the raises during this contract to be between $7.5-$10, increase pension, keep insurance premiums $0, this master's will pass, and it should. I would like to see insurance age drop from 57yrs to 55yrs, but I can wait another contract for that. Yes, it isn't perfect, but so far, so good.

Doesnt sound like a “militant “contract to me.

 

[9.5mania]

Small note. I don’t think cameras are being removed. They just can’t be driver facing.

Correct, sorry for confusion. I meant they are disabling the in-cab camera, the forward-facing camera and Lytx as a whole will remain, I'm assuming.

 

[Karma...]

whatever happened to a fair days work for a fair days pay.......I dont think Jim Casey envisioned such a mess ups turned out to be.......too bad.........I suggest that the hours get under control........ft should be 35 hrs a week like most of the civilized world

 

[textat3]

Over 60 is not illegal. In feeders, you can walk up to dispatch and say hey can you switch me to 70 /8 this week? They click a button and it’s done.
The only thing stopping 70 hours for package was the union needing to approve it before the company changed your schedule every year.

UPS is going to pay you a load of money. We haven’t even seen the wages yet, but if we get a good raise, package car drivers could hit $150K a year if they’re filing every week.

drivers already make 150k in my center