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Catatonic
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LOL!
If one can laugh at themselves, they will indeed be entertained!
It was that willy wascal @ImWaitingForTheDay
Catatonic
Nine Lives
All your fault! LOL
you could call this americare:
Peter Joseph @ZeitgeistFilm 12h12 hours ago
Peter Joseph Retweeted Raw Story
Actually, 500,000 people died prematurely of cancer during the great recession mostly because of a lack of affordable healthcare.
Peter Joseph added,
Raw StoryVerified account @RawStory
WATCH: Idaho town hall erupts after GOP lawmaker says ‘no one dies’ from lack of heath care http://ow.ly/MYcv30bulgk
7 replies 52 retweets 56 likes
Peter Joseph @ZeitgeistFilm 12h12 hours ago
Peter Joseph Retweeted Raw Story
Actually, 500,000 people died prematurely of cancer during the great recession mostly because of a lack of affordable healthcare.
Peter Joseph added,
Raw StoryVerified account @RawStory
WATCH: Idaho town hall erupts after GOP lawmaker says ‘no one dies’ from lack of heath care http://ow.ly/MYcv30bulgk
7 replies 52 retweets 56 likes
Catatonic
Nine Lives
Can we (@ImWaitingForTheDay and me) finish our exchange before I address your needs?
I can only handle one thing at a time.
I've regressed to full 'Man' mode.
And, if I may suggest, Say something like 'Pardon me but if I may intrude?', especially for us older folk who are a little hard of hearing.
wkmac
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Before one jumps off the cliff with that "fact" it should be first noted the source. That came from a 2016' report published in the British Medical Journal Lancet and in the report itself, it stated that a rise in cancer was seen and thus the findings "extrapolated" to reach their summation. The Lancet report uses the number 500k and that number represents premature cancer deaths globally and not to any specific country or region. Although those "estimated" numbers were broken down and listed within the published report.
The study period "The Great Recession" was for the period of the recession itself from Dec. 2007' to June 2009'. In the EU, there were 160,000 deaths estimated and in the United States, there were estimated to be 18,000 premature cancer deaths caused by lack of affordable health care. For the last several decades in the United States, we have annually about 1.5 million cases of cancer (all types) and about 500k deaths from cancer annually per the CDC and the American Cancer Society.
On average, we sadly lose about 41k people per month to cancer and during the Great Recession, of those 41k, less than 1000 of those deaths had a connection to a lack of affordable healthcare, using the Lancet Study figures. We can argue too many still but we also need to look at this in perspective too.
Per the SEER Cancer Statistics Review 1975-2013, cancer deaths for the period 2004 to 2013 (including the period known as The Great Recession) fell by 13%. Some are framing this Lancet report as a denouncing of the current state of medical insurance in the US (I think it has problems too) as opposed to the Universal models (also problematic for me) such as among the European Union.
One can argue the advantages and disadvantages of either model but it is worth noting the cancer death rate per capita for each one. In the European Union, the cancer death rate per capita is 265 per 100k and in the US, the cancer death rate per capita is 171 per 100k.
why is the cancer death per capita higher in EU than US?
wkmac
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Some would argue that the EU has universal coverage and the US has a so-called market based system. Some tired to take the Lancet report and make the argument that the rise in cancer deaths were the result of the market system,but when you weighed in all other factors, such an argument seemed quite narrow and subjective. I would feel the same of an argument that higher cancer deaths in the EU with universal healthcare were a result of said healthcare system also narrow and subjective.
And I also think the point of Peter Joseph's comments were meant as a slam against a market based system as opposed to some other form of some type of universal coverage. Joseph's embracing of Jacque Fresco's ideas which are mostly William Henry Smyth's Technocracy repackaged as The Venus Project where society is governed by experts and engineers plays into his opinions expressed. Even the idea of energy as a type currency or determiner of value that was central to the Technocracy idea advocated later by Technocracy advocates Howard Scott and M. King Hubbert (father of the peak oil theory) remain central to the Venus Project and a main point promoted by Joseph's idea of a post scarcity economy.
I don't disagree with Joseph's critique of scarcity but his solutions in rule by expert just form one more elite not unlike the original ideas of Henri Saint Simon for which he coined the term socialism. How does creating an "expert class" (an elite by another name) really change what we already have today? I can agree with a lot of Peter Joseph's criticisms of the current models of society but where we part company pertains to his conclusions and solutions.
i agree, i was very skeptical of peter joseph's solutions to our current predicament.
i looked up one article on huff post i believe and denmark had the highest per capita death from cancer rates even though ive always thought denmark has some of the best social policies in the world.
chomsky says america is the only privatized lightly regulated health insurance system in the world and he is very critical of that
wkmac
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All due respect to Chomsky, it would depend on what you define as regulation as to whether to call it "lightly" or not.
At the very least, our current health insurance system has been molded and shape as a result of an alliance between State and vested private interests via all manner of interventions that require a State apparatus to achieve. Much of that comes about by means of regulatory policy.
Returntosender
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Trump supporter credits Trumpcare — which hasn’t taken effect — for dramatically lower health costs
Trump supporter credits Trumpcare — which hasn’t taken effect — for dramatically lower health costs
Trump supporter credits Trumpcare — which hasn’t taken effect — for dramatically lower health costs
Babagounj
Strength through joy
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Catatonic
Nine Lives
And on the other side, the Dims are saying Trump caused Obamacare to start unravelling in 2016 and January 2017 ... before he took office.
It's a fine mess in which we find ourselves.
Jkloc420
Do you need an air compressor or tire gauge
my tax credit is comi g
It will be fine
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He is causing damage without changing the law. He created a lot of uncertainty with regards to the subsidies. Insurers need to announce their rate increases by July, I believe. If they don't know how much reimbursement from subsidies they will receive they will increase their rates to compensate.
Catatonic
Nine Lives
I heard that too on CNN.
Fake news ... just made up in somebody's head.
Catatonic
Nine Lives
That was hilarious watching him on the Sunday Political News Shows.
Trying to draw a timeline to support his goofy made-up theories.
And of course, CNN put it out as 'fake news".
Something that someone dreams up in their head is news on CNN.
Jkloc420
Do you need an air compressor or tire gauge
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