Bring misery onto most of the population in order to assist the few caught in cracks? That you really don't care about anyways, just propaganda to get you to single payer.
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It wasn't a rare case pre-ACA. It was standard practice for insurance companies to scour your original application for any minor mistake to deny coverage. They wouldn't cover anything that was determined to be a pre-existing condition. That's why we all know that term so well now. I wasn't falling in the cracks and the ACA has helped me.
I know thst they are tossing around ideas like allowing much lower cost plans as long as they allow one Cadillac plan from the ACA. Dems are complaining that'll take funds out of the risk pool for the most vulnerable. Which they are working on to placate those concerns. Sorry, I'm not privy to all the committee meetings trying to figure this out and it seems to be constantly in flux. But as you know for a fact that it will be astronomically worse for all but the 1% you're being disingenuous in your quest to truly find out what's going on.
newfie
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that's silly, everything is specualation at this point. let the pass the repeal. then structure the next phase and then we can get an idea where their going with it.
in the meantime ACA is crashing and burning as designed.
newfie
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every plan will have extreme examples.
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There are no committee meetings. The Cruz amendment has been said to be totally unworkable by the insurance companies. The lower cost plans won't even count as insurance and won't count towards the continuous coverage provision in the bill. If you buy one you won't actually be covered and you won't be able to buy a real plan.
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It wasn't extreme, it was standard practice. It's the reason medical bankruptcies are down under the ACA.
If you had insurance through work such was not the case. In your view insurers should pay for pre-existing conditions. Insurance is for what might happen in the future. It's impossible for insurers to pay for what people already have and remain solvent. Life is unfair and there are no guarantees but that's what you want. The reason the gov't is so in debt is this belief that there's an endless stream of money that can pay for everything and the only restrictions on that stream is the greedy rich who are denying access to it for their own benefit. Put forth by those who benefit from other's gullibility.
I wonder how many other bankruptcies are up due to the ACA?
newfie
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this is silly. the plan is subject to change until its set into law. anything else is pure speculation
newfie
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you didn't answer the point. every plan will have extreme examples.
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We spend more per capita than any other developed nation and get less. There's plenty of money for universal coverage.
There are no committee meetings? Not talking about hearings, talking about behind closed door sessions where real work is done. Or do you think a member just sits back in his chair, hands behind head, stares at ceiling, calls Mitch up and says hey, think this might work?
newfie
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thanks knew you were a supporter. one response 20 trillion dollar debt
We also have a much larger population than any other developed country, and get less because of the ACA. And it was a fact, probably still is, that those who could afford to traveled to this country for treatment because they couldn't wait for treatment or were denied treatment in their home country and often that treatment was substandard compared to what you get here. It's always the Left's argument to point to other countries but that argument doesn't hold up under scrutiny.
Why not just scrap the employer provided model as well and just let everyone buy their own insurance?
If it will work then why not? We had a system in place that worked for most people that developed through employer provided healthcare. If they can come up with something better than that that actually works then why not? Didn't happen with the ACA.
We don't know that anything will work. Maybe free market does work. Wouldn't that also unburden American businesses of billions in expenses to drive the economy much like a tax cut? I mean, does an employer really owe an individual healthcare any more or less than the government?
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Yes our private system works great for the wealthy, both foreign and domestic. All systems have problems. Pre-ACA, I had a friend that is a Belgian citizen that was sick. His employer provided insurance stopped covering his diagnosis attempts here and he had to go back to Belgium for about year to get healthy again. It was messed up, our system failed and he had to go back to the awful socialist system to live.
I like the basics of the Swiss system. Everyone pays for basic coverage up to 8% of their income. If you don't buy coverage you get that 8% taxed by the government. If you want more coverage you can buy more. It's a harsher mandate that actually puts everyone in the risk pool.
Scrapping employer healthcare would put everyone at risk.
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