Rittenhouse Trial

[vantexan]

It is in Georgia!
And the judges and lawyers hate it!

I know it goes on but is it spelled out in law that it's allowed?

 

[vantexan]

Not if the verdict is Not Guilty.

True. No double jeorpardy.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Are you in Georgia? Wilbur posted the law earlier. Says nothing about reasonable belief.

And I'm not conflating anything. I'm well aware of someone's right to do something. Just saying that the owner of that property should have never put a kid in that situation and the parent of said kid would probably go ballistic over their kid putting themselves in that situation. Not talking about his right to defend himself. Having found himself facing crazed rioters I'm glad he had that gun. With all the talk about how this kid killed two people, wounding a third, I'd like to know where are the other trials for the killers of all those killed by rioters that summer? Where are all the trials for those who severely injured others? All the feigned outrage but they don't seem the least concerned with prosecuting rioters for anything no matter how egregious.

Did you read the law? I didn't have the phrasing exact, but it means the same. From Wilbur's link to the statute:

"If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion."

They didn't need to witness a felony to attempt to arrest someone who is trying to escape, if they have reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion. Whether they did indeed have such grounds will be up to the jury to decide. For now, we have to presume that they did, and that they had a right to attempt to arrest Arbery, until it is proven otherwise.

 

[Old Man Jingles]

I know it goes on but is it spelled out in law that it's allowed?

Georgia jurors arguably are more empowered than in some other states.
Article 1, Section 1, Paragraph XI of the state constitution (PDF) says that "the jury shall be the judges of the law and the facts."

 

[vantexan]

Did you read the law? I didn't have the phrasing exact, but it means the same. From Wilbur's link to the statute:

"If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion."

They didn't need to witness a felony to attempt to arrest someone who is trying to escape, if they have reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion. Whether they did indeed have such grounds will be up to the jury to decide. For now, we have to presume that they did, and that they had a right to attempt to arrest Arbery, until it is proven otherwise.

I read what he posted. They have to either witness the crime or have knowledge that he committed the crime. Reasonable suspicion doesn't meet that threshold. You guys want to play posse with no legal impediments but laws were put in place to keep civilians from getting too enthusiastic and possibly harming the wrong person. Argue with me all day if you want, try to justify your argument delving into the minutia, but at the end of the day unless you are defending yourself, your family, your property, or even a stranger from immediate physical harm the smart thing to do is to contact the authorities and let them do their job. Otherwise you may find that the law isn't as flexible and accommodating as you thought. Would be a hard lesson to learn if you end up serving time when you thought you were doing the right thing.

 

[wilberforce15]

I would hate to be the lawyer arguing that he was armed because he grabbed the end of the gun pointed at him.

You grab at a gun you get dead.

Universal law.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

I read what he posted. They have to either witness the crime or have knowledge that he committed the crime. Reasonable suspicion doesn't meet that threshold. You guys want to play posse with no legal impediments but laws were put in place to keep civilians from getting too enthusiastic and possibly harming the wrong person. Argue with me all day if you want, try to justify your argument delving into the minutia, but at the end of the day unless you are defending yourself, your family, your property, or even a stranger from immediate physical harm the smart thing to do is to contact the authorities and let them do their job. Otherwise you may find that the law isn't as flexible and accommodating as you thought. Would be a hard lesson to learn if you end up serving time when you thought you were doing the right thing.

Dude! I just quoted the law, and you are still arguing that it doesn't say what I said it said. It is possible that they had the right to attempt to arrest Arbery, in which case a self-defense argument is completely in play. We have to presume that is the case until it is proven otherwise.

 

[wilberforce15]

Dude! I just quoted the law, and you are still arguing that it doesn't say what I said it said. It is possible that they had the right to attempt to arrest Arbery, in which case a self-defense argument is completely in play. We have to presume that is the case until it is proven otherwise.

I unblocked vantexan a few weeks ago. I regret the decision.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

I unblocked vantexan a few weeks ago. I regret the decision.

We see eye to eye on a lot, but he seems to get these wild hairs where he takes a 90 degree turn, and no amount of reason or evidence can bring him back on track.

That law has two parts, one for serious crimes and one not. He discounts the part he doesn't like by saying it's minutia. I don't get it.

 

[Poop Head]

Is kyle free yet?

 

[Darmark7]

Is kyle free yet?

He Better be freed or those white supremest will be burning down the town. Uncle Joe has warned us that the biggest threat to the USA is those white supremest. Thank God they have police and national guard ready for them.

 

[wilberforce15]

He Better be freed or those white supremest will be burning down the town. Uncle Joe has warned us that the biggest threat to the USA is those white supremest. Thank God they have police and national guard ready for them.

White supremacists must really suck at being terrorists.

Supposedly there's a lot of them, but they sure don't do much. Maybe they're just dumb.

 

[BrownFlush]

I'll answer that. He was a 17 year old with a gun in the middle of a riot. The shootings certainly looked justified to me, but if I was his dad I'd be screaming bloody murder at him for being there to begin with. Legal or not it was stupid.

He's innocent of breaking any law. If the jury follows the law, self defense, acquittal.
But, if I was his Dad, when he came home at 17 from doing what he did and being where he was, I would have took my belt off and beat his ass and we would have done the circle dance together like he was 12 years old.

 

[wilberforce15]

He's innocent of breaking any law. If the jury follows the law, self defense, acquittal.
But, if I was his Dad, when he came home at 17 from doing what he did and being where he was, I would have took my belt off and beat his ass and we would have done the circle dance together like he was 12 years old.

Interesting. I'd have bought him hookers and blow.

 

[BrownFlush]

Interesting. I'd have bought him hookers and blow.

Parenting skills vary.
A lot depends on educational and emotional levels of the parent as well as goals a parent has for their kid.

 

[wilberforce15]

Parenting goals and skills vary.
A lot depends on educational and emotional levels as well as goals a parent has for their kid.

Indeed. My goal would be to create an American hero.

This boy followed the law, showed tremendous restraint and trigger discipline, only hit his intended targets, only hit targets truly earning their own deaths, and he only did it when police and other authorities refused to protect his city.

Then, a hero stepped up.

Therefore, hookers and blow.

 

[vantexan]

Dude! I just quoted the law, and you are still arguing that it doesn't say what I said it said. It is possible that they had the right to attempt to arrest Arbery, in which case a self-defense argument is completely in play. We have to presume that is the case until it is proven otherwise.

Nah, you altered what he posted.

 

[vantexan]

Parenting skills vary.
A lot depends on educational and emotional levels of the parent as well as goals a parent has for their kid.

True, if you're an overgrown teenager you get your kid hookers and blow.

 

[wilberforce15]

Nah, you altered what he posted.

Go back in time and name the first American who would have a problem with these Georgia boys.

Probably nobody until a 60's hippie.

That means they are real Americans, and you're just another liberal hippie playing dress-up as a conservative.

 

[vantexan]

I unblocked vantexan a few weeks ago. I regret the decision.

Still smarting over your electric car debacle?