Rittenhouse Trial

[wilberforce15]

That's clearly not what that shows.

It literally does. They're entirely on one side of the road.

They're not OFF the side of the road. But that's not what I said.

 

[wilberforce15]

So you expect similar outcomes in both trials?

No, there was a lightning strike and Rittenhouse got a 70 year old judge who cares about the law.

Freak occurrence.

 

[Sportello]

So you don't think people in a neighborhood watch have the right to engage in self defense?

Goal post, where did you go? You keep moving.

Self defense is when someone is physically threatening you or breaking into your home, not when they are going down the street.

 

[Box Ox]

It literally does. They're entirely on one side of the road.

They're not OFF the side of the road. But that's not what I said.

Give picture #2 a closer look. Truck in one lane and a man holding a gun blocking the other.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Self defense is when someone is physically threatening you or breaking into your home, not when they are going down the street.

You're moving the goalposts.
Read my question again Susie:

So you don't think people in a neighborhood watch have the right to engage in self defense?

That's a yes/no question that you're dodging.

 

[Lineandinitial]

Self defense is when someone is physically threatening you or breaking into your home, not when they are going down the street.

Wrong!
Read up on “Stand your Ground” laws and variance by state.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

If they didn't see him running from that property they could only speculate as to what a black man was doing running through that neighborhood. If you're going to pull a gun on someone better have all the i's dotted and t's crossed. I'm 100% for protecting property and bringing criminals to justice. I'm not in favor of average citizens running around with guns making the wrong assumptions and nervously reacting to situations they aren't trained to handle. They may have been 100% right that Arbery was the right guy and had broken into that property. But they didn't know for sure and the best course would have been to alert law enforcement and keep a visual of Arbery. By the way how did the homeowner know from looking at security footage who Arbery was and how would these two guys know exactly who he was and what he looked like? Was Arbery identified after his death as the guy on security footage? How would that have helped these guys before he was shot?

Knowing for sure is not the standard. I don't have those answers, but I can deduce that the defendants were reasonably sure the man running through the neighborhood met the description of the man caught on camera. I bet they became more sure when he attacked them instead of simply waiting for the police to show up. I don't know if any of that is true, I suppose we'll find out more as the trial unfolds.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Wasn't he grasping at the gun when he was shot? How close is that?

If he was, and got a hand on the gun, that means he was armed.

 

[El Correcto]

Goal post, where did you go? You keep moving.

Self defense is when someone is physically threatening you or breaking into your home, not when they are going down the street.

Lethal force isn’t just used in self defense in some states. In my state we have the castle doctrine and it can extend into property. Even stand your ground laws incorporate good guys with guns, IE, to stop felonious behaviors you are witnessing. Like if people started setting on fire in Texas arson is explicitly spelled out in our code of law for a justified shooting.

 

[Babagounj]

Kenosha DA passed loser Rittenhouse case to Thomas Binger

Mike Graveley, the Kenosha County DA, would normally have taken the Rittenhouse case himself, but instead handed it down to prosecutor Thomas Binger.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[El Correcto]

“(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime”
Our state is pretty wonderful when it comes to blowing scumbags away who seek to around and find out.

Probably why the police did a good job of stopping the rioters before it started, they knew it would of been a justification for a blood bath in the streets.

 

[Box Ox]

Wrong!
Read up on “Stand your Ground” laws and variance by state.

If stand your ground were a legitimate defense in this case, people who don't like you or think you look suspicious could stop you in the street, accuse you of a crime, hold you at gunpoint and shoot you upon any sign of physical resistance.

 

[vantexan]

So people in a neighborhood watch don't have a right to self defense?

Sure they do. I question whether these guys were parked far away and the suspect attacked them based on the video I saw.

 

[vantexan]

If he was, and got a hand on the gun, that means he was armed.

I would hate to be the lawyer arguing that he was armed because he grabbed the end of the gun pointed at him.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

If stand your ground were a legitimate defense in this case, people who don't like you or think you look suspicious could stop you in the street, accuse you of a crime, hold you at gunpoint and shoot you upon any sign of physical resistance.

Citizen's arrest was legal in Georgia when this happened.

 

[Box Ox]

Citizen's arrest was legal in Georgia when this happened.

Had they witnessed the commission of a crime?

 

[vantexan]

Citizen's arrest was legal in Georgia when this happened.

For crimes the arresting party witnessed happened or had knowledge that the arrested did commit said crime.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Had they witnessed the commission of a crime?

I think their defense is they had had knowledge of one. I haven't had time to catch up on the details in this case.

Is it a crime to try to take someone's weapon from them?

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

For crimes the arresting party witnessed happened or had knowledge that the arrested did commit said crime.

Does someone who is deputized by the sheriff have a right to arrest someone?

 

[vantexan]

I think their defense is they had had knowledge of one. I haven't had time to catch up on the details in this case.

Is it a crime to try to take someone's weapon from them?

Do two wrongs make a right?