Russia Claims Ukraine Standoff Is Over

[wilberforce15]

I'd give it 50/50 on Us or Russia shelling that nuclear plant.

 

[Box Ox]

I'd give it 50/50 on Us or Russia shelling that nuclear plant.

 

[wilberforce15]

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Who benefits?

Ukraine/NATO/US gains massively on a new PR angle for war and sanctions and new powers and whatever else they want.

Russia gains nothing.

As with any crime, it lies at the intersection of motive and opportunity.

 

[Box Ox]

Who benefits?

Ukraine/NATO/US gains massively on a new PR angle for war and sanctions and new powers and whatever else they want.

Russia gains nothing.

As with any crime, it lies at the intersection of motive and opportunity.

You're ascribing a certain level of rationality to a Russian dictator who is not acting rationally. And much like shelling civilian neighborhoods, firing at or toward a Ukrainian nuclear plant is a message and a threat intended to demoralize Ukrainians since Putin's original plan of rolling in and taking the country within a few days didn't work out so well for him.

 

[wilberforce15]

You're ascribing a certain level of rationality to a Russian dictator who is not acting rationally. And much like shelling civilian neighborhoods, firing at or toward a Ukrainian nuclear plant is a message and a threat intended to demoralize Ukrainians since Putin's original plan of rolling in and taking the country within a few days didn't work out so well for him.

He is cold, calculating, evil, and absolutely rational.

 

[Box Ox]

He is cold, calculating, evil, and absolutely rational.

That was the widespread assumption about Putin before he chose the path he did in Ukraine. Which is why most Ukrainians didn't think an invasion would actually occur and Zelenskyy himself was downplaying the possibility until it happened.

Putin has since shown otherwise.

 

[wilberforce15]

That was the widespread assumption about Putin before he chose the path he did in Ukraine. Which is why most Ukrainians didn't think an invasion would actually occur and Zelenskyy himself was downplaying the possibility until it actually happened.

Putin has since shown otherwise.

He is much better off with sanctions of any kind than a neighbor of this size in the US/NATO pocket.

He promised them for years that he would do this if they kept pursuing NATO inclusion. The US already overthew the Ukrainian government.

Putin would be insane not to invade.

 

[Box Ox]

He is much better off with sanctions of any kind than a neighbor of this size in the US/NATO pocket.

Is he? Russia's economy is already collapsing. His oligarchs are unhappy. His military has to worry that he might want to use nukes. And is there any evidence that Ukraine has been in the US/NATO's pocket?

In any case, Ukraine sure will be now. Russia has clearly demonstrated the need for NATO and strong alliances with eastern Europe.

The US already overthew the Ukrainian government.

The US kicked out Russia's puppet that had allowed Russia to maintain control over Ukraine? How'd they do that?

Putin would be insane not to invade.

Putin will come out of this far worse off than he would have been had he not launched the invasion.

 

[wilberforce15]

Is he? Russia's economy is already collapsing. And is there any evidence that Ukraine has been in the US/NATO's pocket?

In any case, Ukraine sure will be now. Russia has clearly demonstrated the need for NATO and strong alliances in eastern Europe.



They kicked out Russia's puppet that allowed them to maintain control over Ukraine? How'd they do that?



Putin will come out of this far worse off than he would have been had he not launched the invasion.

We shall see. Anything can go any direction. It's all a question of probabilities and risks and rewards.

I find it quite rational for him to invade, given his priorities, incentives, and risks. He's still evil, of course, but I'm not entirely sure why we so intentionally pushed him into a corner.

A cornered dog lashes out in the only direction available. This is so incredibly stupid and was so preventable.

 

[Babagounj]

With all attempts to take the capital stalled I heard Putin was calling up reserves from as far away as his Pacific coastline.

 

[wilberforce15]

With all attempts to take the capital stalled I heard Putin was calling up reserves from as far away as his Pacific coastline.

Lol

How much time has passed?

 

[vantexan]

He is much better off with sanctions of any kind than a neighbor of this size in the US/NATO pocket.

He promised them for years that he would do this if they kept pursuing NATO inclusion. The US already overthew the Ukrainian government.

Putin would be insane not to invade.

The U.S. didn't overthrow the Ukrainian government.

 

[wilberforce15]

 

[vantexan]

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Yah, let's keep it turned on for countries that attack other countries unprovoked.

 

[Babagounj]

Know Your Meme

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Will this be the face that finally causes WW3 ?

 

[newfie]

Ukraine is going to lose a lot of life thanks to the zelensky government refusing to allow them to flee: this is literally all on them. It’s an unsinkable war against Russia: GAE just wants war. They want war with Russia. This is the new npc talking point and the soldiers have been activated.

thank god you werent around in 1776

 

[BigGuy2732]

thank god you werent around in 1776

I would have been fighting for the British, founding fathers were Freemason scum.

 

[wilberforce15]

thank god you werent around in 1776

If the nascent US were a bunch of crossdressing gay dudes corrupt to any willing buyer, I wouldn't support them either.

 

[DriveInDriѵeOut]

You're ascribing a certain level of rationality to a Russian dictator who is not acting rationally.

What do you think is irrational about this?
Biden basically told Putin he wouldn't stop this. So he did it.

 

[newfie]

If the nascent US were a bunch of crossdressing gay dudes corrupt to any willing buyer, I wouldn't support them either.

some reason I'm surprised to see you make that comment