rama'nfeeders
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Sorry Pal he goes around to any building campaigning for his agenda and still looking for $$$. He's a crook and a fraud.
Seniority...... who's got what???
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East coast navy
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He is fight for something... Sounds like you are upset at him for not letting you in his inner circle... I bet you asked him for a proposal and signed it.
rama'nfeeders
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Not a chance in HELL! Here's a guy who was in Feeders years ago and went back to package. Now he goes back into Feeders and wants to leap frog everyone. If he never left Feeders back in the 90's he would be dead set again what he's doing now. Another flip flopper no wonder you guys see eye to eye.
East coast navy
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I don't care how many times you go back.... IT IS STILL WRONG TO GET YOUR SENIORITY STRIPPED.... END OF STORY!!
rama'nfeeders
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It didn't get stripped we vote every 5 years and the contract passes overwhelmingly in a Democratic fashion. See Mike doesn't respect seniority because when he went back into Feeders in Meanj he was telling the dispatchers that he has 27 years in and so the dispatchers were sending him on all the long runs until the shop stewards found out he was violating people's seniority. He's doesn't respect seniority so for him to try and change it is just a self serving joke on his part. His seniority was never stripped within the system we have been in.
East coast navy
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You guys or going to have to stop attacking one guy... This is much bigger then one man... You are going to have to wait and see what happens... You can't blam us for wanting this... I'm sorry but that's the way it is...
Feederquacker
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What I can say about this is..... the overwhelming majority of those that want to cancel the years of Classification Seniority and start anew under the blanket of Company Seniority are from Package. I wouldn't hasten to say that the vast majority of Feeder drivers would be ok with Company Seniority as long as it is just going forward and red circle those in place now. After all, they are the fellas that will be penalized by the new seniority order.
East coast navy
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If it was voted on changing to classification seniority with no red line over 60 years ago by a majority... What makes it so different now?
rama'nfeeders
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But it wasn't voted on over 60 years ago so your point is mute.
East coast navy
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Yes it was... Years ago, you could bid outside of classification...
rama'nfeeders
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The company in the 80'schedule was one district and they broke it up into 3 districts. Therefore the agreement with the Company and the Union was to have separate lists in Feeders and separate lists per each center in package. The system works great!
I'd say company seniority would be fine as long as routes/runs are bidded for "life" (or till the driver bids a new one). This would prevent high seniority employees from transfering and stealing the bids of people that have been doing them for a while, which could happen under the re-bid every year or two system some places have.
Feederquacker
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FYI.... the first Teamster/UPS National Master Agreement wasn't signed until 1979. But more to the point.... your point is kind of a nanny nanny boo boo argument. If it was crap then, why would it not be crap now? You go talk those who will be affected by what your proposing and then tell them you don't care what they say, it's what you and others want and then go to the part timers and tell them that they don't count. I know many people who have more than twenty years part time and to say to them that company seniority will rule the day except it will exclude them. Tell them why.
East coast navy
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If you are in a democratic system and something changes based on a majority vote. You could get effect in a negative way... That doesn't mean you should go through the process of changing it the way to save the less of the vote if that's not what the majority wanted... That defeats the the whole concept of a democratic system.
rama'nfeeders
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East Coast Navy you we're in hiding for a while.....now you come out to play and Feederquacker calls you out. At the end of the day you guys are doing it for selfish reasons that's for personal gain. You can't say it should never been this way it has been and we have voted it in this way every 5 years. Again I am totally against it and if there were change the redline is the only fair, equitable, and democratic way to do this. You just don't tell people who are hired in a system oh by the way screw you we want to jump you because we are selfish. You can tell TK his idea of making the Union stronger this way is a bunch of B.S.it has only divided US. Akso, tell MJ that his smart people behind him are going to win this is a joke, he violates the seniority list as much as possible, he doesn't even have a copy of the current union contract and his reason is financial and that's it. He could give a rats arse about any seniority except when it benefits his pockets. He's a lieing P O.S.
East coast navy
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Well, that's your opinion... I feel the opposite, and that's why this country is great... You have the right to have an opinion... If it were up to feeder street drivers they would have it all... They would never let us transfer ( You too!)... Don't let them fool you... You earned every minute on that clock and it's sad you are willing to settle for less for the members that would throw you under the bus if they could...
BTW, did you know their is a proposal out to there change back to classification seniority for vacation and layoff? If you do, did you sign it?
So is there a movement from anyone proposing this?
rama'nfeeders
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I haven't seen it and I haven't signed a thing. RTS EVERYTHING
East coast navy
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I have seen it and also did not sign it...
East coast navy
Veteran
Yes..
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