Seniority...... who's got what???

[Mugarolla]

Even if you are the majority, it's still your PO's call.

Correct. Although it may be unwise for a PO to go against what the majority wants.

 

[Bubblehead]

Correct. Although it may be unwise for a PO to go against what the majority wants.

Hmmmm???

The poll here is 22-9 for company seniority???

Haven't heard a single "good argument" why my 23 years as a "full time employee", humping bundles, should count for nothing if I bid into another "full time classification"?

"Because it's always been this way" is a tired Teamster premise that needs to go away.
It's high time we challenge many antiquated precedence's.

Let's concentrate on getting it right going forward.

 

[Mugarolla]

Hmmmm???

The poll here is 22-9 for company seniority???

Haven't heard a single "good argument" why my 23 years as a "full time employee", humping bundles, should count for nothing if I bid into another "full time classification"?

"Because it's always been this way" is a tired Teamster premise that needs to go away.
It's high time we challenge many antiquated precedence's.

Let's concentrate on getting it right going forward.

The poll here does not count. The members of Local 177 is what counts.

I never said what my opinion was. Our local has Company seniority. I was just responding to Inthegame who said "even if you are in the majority."

The PO of Local 177 should listen to the majority of his members, not the members of Brown Cafe.

And no, I do not know if he is in the majority or not.

 

[Bubblehead]

The poll here does not count. The members of Local 177 is what counts.

It counts here.

I never said what my opinion was. Our local has Company seniority. I was just responding to Inthegame who said "even if you are in the majority."

I am saying what my opinion is, and like you, my Local recognizes Company seniority.

The PO of Local 177 should listen to the majority of his members, not the members of Brown Cafe.

The Local 177 Executive Board should have the courage to do what's right going forward.

And no, I do not know if he is in the majority or not.

Define "majority"?

 

[Whatbrownwontdoforyou]

It counts here.

I am saying what my opinion is, and like you, my Local recognizes Company seniority.

The Local 177 Executive Board should have the courage to do what's right going forward.

Define "majority"?

He did say that the majority of 177 members what to change the seniority language in the contract and east backed it up with 250 signatures from local 177 members......the only problem is there are 8500 members in local 177.....250 is in no way the majority of local 177 members

 

[Bubblehead]

He did say that the majority of 177 members what to change the seniority language in the contract and east backed it up with 250 signatures from local 177 members......the only problem is there are 8500 members in local 177.....250 is in no way the majority of local 177 members

This thread/poll is on Brown Cafe and is not exclusive to Local 177...so most of that is irrelevant?

I believe the OP is from Georgia?

 

[East coast navy]

He did say that the majority of 177 members what to change the seniority language in the contract and east backed it up with 250 signatures from local 177 members......the only problem is there are 8500 members in local 177.....250 is in no way the majority of local 177 members

429 signed a petition to want the change and 250 that didn't... You are right... Their are 8500ish members that we don't know yet based on the early numbers... That's why it needs to come to a vote...

 

[Mugarolla]

This thread/poll is on Brown Cafe and is not exclusive to Local 177...so most of that is irrelevant?

I believe the OP is from Georgia?

The OP is from Georgia, but the thread mostly turned into a thread about Local 177 and their seniority practice.

I know, derailed?

And the majority is more than 50% And the majority usually rules, right or wrong.

 

[Whatbrownwontdoforyou]

429 signed a petition to want the change and 250 that didn't... You are right... Their are 8500ish members that we don't know yet based on the early numbers... That's why it needs to come to a vote...

So you have been collecting signatures for a year now and have 429 do you feel that is the majority? There are 8500 members that get a vote......just so you understand majority will be 51%......you have 5%.....if you say 2000 people vote you still only have 25%.....and that if all 429 of your signatures vote.......and they won't be voting on this issue they will be voting on a contract

 

[East coast navy]

So you have been collecting signatures for a year now and have 429 do you feel that is the majority? There are 8500 members that get a vote......just so you understand majority will be 51%......you have 5%.....if you say 2000 people vote you still only have 25%.....and that if all 429 of your signatures vote.......and they won't be voting on this issue they will be voting on a contract

429 is just a dry run... The proposals is the real test... You are just going to have to wait...

 

[Inthegame]

Hmmmm???

The poll here is 22-9 for company seniority???

The poll isn't asking what anyone wants, rather what system is currently in place in their location.

 

[Bubblehead]

The poll isn't asking what anyone wants, rather what system is currently in place in their location.

...and you don't consider that a bellwether?

 

[Inthegame]

...and you don't consider that a bellwether?

If BC polls are bellwethers, Fred Z is General President by a landslide.

 

[rama'nfeeders]

Hey Terry K./M. Jones if your change goes thru......what do you say to the Feeder Drivers like Hernan, Russell V. George K. and so on who will be forced back to package since they don't have the Full time seniority to obtain one of the 900 feeder jobs in Local 177??? Does Hernan get his $70 back from the GoFundme his contributed towards??? I would like to know what your answer is to both questions! !!

 

[Bubblehead]

...and you don't consider that a bellwether?

Apples and oranges, but nice try.

 

[ezmoney5150]

I have a pt seniority date of March 1990 an a ft April 1998. So almost 27 YEARS.

 

[Coldworld]

The poll here does not count. The members of Local 177 is what counts.

I never said what my opinion was. Our local has Company seniority. I was just responding to Inthegame who said "even if you are in the majority."

The PO of Local 177 should listen to the majority of his members, not the members of Brown Cafe.

And no, I do not know if he is in the majority or not.

Out of curiosity, how many package car drivers who have been there for 20-25 years end up going into feeders???

 

[Mugarolla]

Out of curiosity, how many package car drivers who have been there for 20-25 years end up going into feeders???

I would say a few, but not very many. Unless it takes that long to get to feeders.

Some will stay in bundles to keep the day job, raise their kids, see football games, etc.

Once the kids are gone, they go for the easy job of feeders.

I still think the number is very low though.

 

[Coldworld]

I would say a few, but not very many. Unless it takes that long to get to feeders.

Some will stay in bundles to keep the day job, raise their kids, see football games, etc.

Once the kids are gone, they go for the easy job of pipedreamfeeders.

I still think the number is very low though.

That's what I would think....so the premise that all these old timers would go into feeders is pretty much a pipedream...

 

[By The Book]

That's what I would think....so the premise that all these old timers would go into feeders is pretty much a pipedream...

The bids are all awarded by seniority, so the higher seniority drivers will get them. These are the ones that the kids are grown and gone. There isn't usually a need for a lot of feeder drivers at once so I think it works out that way.