Should part time employees make the same rate as full time employees?

[HarryWarden]

So you’re voting no if there’s classifications in the next contract? You better get your Red ink ready you’re about to be disappointed

Why do you keep deflecting? I’m asking you what you think is fair

Again, did you say this when 22.4 was brought up? “It’s different classifications it’s fair. So what, you guys are going to vote no if there’s any other classifications in the contract?”

 

[BadIdeaGuy]

Stop with the classifications man. I’m asking you what you think is fair

When people brought up 22.4 did you say “different classifications, it’s fair”?

The 22.4 classification was supposed to load/unload for part of a day, and then drive the rest of the day.

It was supposed to have different responsibilities than the RPCD classification.

The company abused the wording, and misused the position.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Stop with the classifications man. I’m asking you what you think is fair

When people brought up 22.4 did you say “different classifications, it’s fair”?

The mistake you’re making is 22.4 was sold as a gimmick. They were supposed to work in the building and Drive not the full-time drivers all the time the language was left vague, so the company naturally abused it. Now those of us with half a brain knew that would happen, but unfortunately, those in places of power last time ignored us.

 

[MAKAVELI]

Well, thank you for your outsiders view on what we already know. No one is suggesting the pay isn’t going up we are suggesting it’s not going up to what Mr. Harry thinks is fair totally in the interview on Bloomberg. Shawn said it was never offered and he wasn’t even asking for $35 an hour, but he would certainly take it if they offered.

He most likely won't get exactly what he wants but that doesn't mean he shouldn't try to fight for it. None of the UPSers would have what you have without fighting for what you think is deserved. But at some point a union will weaken if it's workforce becomes more divided.

 

[dogs.bite.me]

If the part time position is a driver, why not? The more classifications is part of the problem and a big reason many non union employees don't like unions. Why overcomplicate and undervalue your fellow coworkers? I think what SOB is doing, bringing those lower paid employees recognition and better pay is exactly what you guys need to make gains in other companies. That's what will ultimately make for a stronger union in the future.

yes, but the last leadership we had sold it down 3+ contracts in a row. its not going to be fixed overnight. But the process can start to even out the field.

 

[Brownsocks]

Exactly my point. And a warehouse worker has the same responsibilities working 4 hours as the warehouse working 8 hours

Thank you

You've convinced me. I'm going to vote no if they don't lower ft inside guys pay to match yours.

 

[HarryWarden]

The mistake you’re making is 22.4 was sold as a gimmick. They were supposed to work in the building and Drive not the full-time drivers all the time the language was left vague, so the company naturally abused it. Now those of us with half a brain knew that would happen, but unfortunately, those in places of power last time ignored us.

So just because it’s a classification doesn’t mean it’s fair.

 

[dogs.bite.me]

Why do you keep deflecting? I’m asking you what you think is fair

Again, did you say this when 22.4 was brought up? “It’s different classifications it’s fair. So what, you guys are going to vote no if there’s any other classifications in the contract?”

its not fair.
youre underpaid. we've said this over and over.
but this is 30 years in the making. its not going to be fixed one contract.
Keep pushing! We're with you.. The only thing were trying to do is tamp down your expectation that you will recieve exactly what your full time counterpart is getting. Its not happening this contract. But the argument is there that if youre tenured, you shouldnt be $15/hr less.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Why do you keep deflecting? I’m asking you what you think is fair

Again, did you say this when 22.4 was brought up? “It’s different classifications it’s fair. So what, you guys are going to vote no if there’s any other classifications in the contract?”

Harry let me explain realities to you.
We are only worth what we can get iwith the company willing to negotiate with us for. I personally believe I am worth $50 an hour in this economy but I know I’m not getting it anytime soon. Sean has done a good job of pushing the boundaries to see how many really will do and we haven’t even gotten finished yet. I’ve been a union steward for 25 years. I’ve seen a lot of things I feel are unfair. If Sean can get $35 an hour for you you’re worth it. If Shawn can only get $25 an hour for you then that’s what you’re worth.

 

[HarryWarden]

I hear you man, I’m just defensive because I have a lot of fellow union workers in here saying im not worth that, when we should be on the same side

I think you’re worth $50 also, if not more.

What I’m saying is purely logical. That I, as a 15 loader, see no reason why I shouldn’t have the same hourly rate as a full time warehouse worker. That’s it. I don’t believe working an extra 3.5 hour shift justifies a $15 an hour difference in hourly pay, when we are doing the same work

I DO think a driver should have a significantly higher pay than me, because they have more responsibilities. But a full time warehouse worker does not have more responsibilities than a part time, besides being first to be guaranteed full time hours.

 

[Thebrownblob]

I hear you man, I’m just defensive because I have a lot of fellow union workers in here saying im not worth that, when we should be on the same side

I think you’re worth $50 also, if not more.

What I’m saying is purely logical. That I, as a 15 loader, see no reason why I shouldn’t have the same hourly rate as a full time warehouse worker. That’s it. I don’t believe working an extra 3.5 hour shift justifies a $15 an hour difference in hourly pay, when we are doing the same work

I DO think a driver should have a significantly higher pay than me, because they have more responsibilities. But a full time warehouse worker does not have more responsibilities than a part time, besides being first to be guaranteed full time hours.

I think your mistake them saying you’re not worth it for them saying you’re not getting it. None of us would tell you you’re not worth it if Sean can negotiate.

 

[dogs.bite.me]

I hear you man, I’m just defensive because I have a lot of fellow union workers in here saying im not worth that, when we should be on the same side

I think you’re worth $50 also, if not more.

What I’m saying is purely logical. That I, as a 15 loader, see no reason why I shouldn’t have the same hourly rate as a full time warehouse worker. That’s it. I don’t believe working an extra 3.5 hour shift justifies a $15 an hour difference in hourly pay, when we are doing the same work

I DO think a driver should have a significantly higher pay than me, because they have more responsibilities. But a full time warehouse worker does not have more responsibilities than a part time, besides being first to be guaranteed full time hours.

Most of us have done the job you do and know how hard and fast it is.
I did it for 7 years!
Take this fire to your union meetings. Fire up your co-workers. Be a force for change.. Arguing on this forum isn't where it ends.

 

[anonymous23456]

Now I'm really confused. If UPS treated PT people so badly, why don't you guys go to Amazon or FedEx?

 

[dogs.bite.me]

Now I'm really confused. If UPS treated PT people so badly, why don't you guys go to Amazon or FedEx?

PT sups couldnt do what they demand of their loaders. They can demonstrate it for a shift....maybe... but doing it day in and day out, mistake free.. Ya right

 

[HarryWarden]

I think your mistake them saying you’re not worth it for them saying you’re not getting it. None of us would tell you you’re not worth it if Sean can negotiate.

I can pull some quotes for you, but I had a lot of comments saying that.

People are straight saying you shouldn’t be able to support yourself on part time. That’s what I don’t understand? Why do you care what someone does with their money? If you can support a family on full time, I just think you should be able to pay rent and food and the bare necessities and go to school on part time. Why are so worried and rationing the pay of fellow blue collar workers and not concerned about the ceo making $20 million a year

 

[Thebrownblob]

Now I'm really confused. If UPS treated PT people so badly, why don't you guys go to Amazon or FedEx?

Because we don’t leave when we don’t like something we try to change it and make it better. that’s why we have a union

 

[dogs.bite.me]

Now I'm really confused. If UPS treated PT people so badly, why don't you guys go to Amazon or FedEx?

because of the bennies baby!!!!

 

[HarryWarden]

Now I'm really confused. If UPS treated PT people so badly, why don't you guys go to Amazon or FedEx?

So now we’re at the point of “if you don’t like it than go somewhere else”

Why even have a union than? Why fight for higher wages at all? Just go somewhere else

 

[dogs.bite.me]

I can pull some quotes for you, but I had a lot of comments saying that.

People are straight saying you shouldn’t be able to support yourself on part time. That’s what I don’t understand? Why do you care what someone does with their money? If you can support a family on full time, I just think you should be able to pay rent and food and the bare necessities and go to school on part time. Why are so worried and rationing the pay of fellow blue collar workers and not concerned about the ceo making $20 million a year

because its crazy expensive to support yourself..... and pt isnt going to do it. PT might cover your rent and some groceries. but a car, insurance, phone, electricity, you wouuld need to make more than 35 an hour

 

[Thebrownblob]

So now we’re at the point of “if you don’t like it than go somewhere else”

Why even have a union then? Why fight for

He’s in a management position. They usually tuck tail and leave.