Should part time employees make the same rate as full time employees?

[anonymous23456]

He’s in a management position. They usually tuck tail and leave.

That's right, homie. We vote with our feet.

 

[Thebrownblob]

That's right, homie. We vote with our feet.

 

[Generic UPS Monkey]

Not to stir the pot, but if UPS got every hub a fleet of self driving package cars, would drivers be worth less than hub workers?

Okay, I just wanted to stir the pot.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Not to stir the pot, but if UPS got every hub a fleet of self driving package cars, would drivers be worth less than hub workers?

Okay, I just wanted to stir the pot.

No, because I still have to purchase my socks

 

[HarryWarden]

because its crazy expensive to support yourself..... and pt isnt going to do it. PT might cover your rent and some groceries. but a car, insurance, phone, electricity, you wouuld need to make more than 35 an hour

first off thanks for the friendly discussion. Here is my point

We SHOULD be able to. We used to be able to do that. We used to be able to support a family of 5 off a single income full time. That is even harder to do now days. It shouldn’t be though. And the biggest reason is corporate greed

My whole argument this entire point is a part time warehouse worker at 15 years should have the same hourly rate as a full time warehouse worker. That’s it.

The argument against is artificially lowering the rate for reasons that no one can really explain. I really don’t think im saying anything crazy.

A full time warehouse position guarantees you full time hours. That is a big benefit, especially if you are supporting a family. I’m just saying a part time warehouse worker doing the same job should have the same hourly rate. And no one has really given me a reason against it.

Some have said “part time work shouldn’t support you”, I say don’t worry about that. We’re doing the same job loading packages, we’re both seasoned workers, we’re both in the union, we should get the same rate

A driver who signs a 9.5 list and works 8 hours shouldn’t get a lower hourly rate than the driver who works 10 ( besides over time of course)

Another big point is the low part time wage only weakens full time positions. Why would the company create full time positions when they can just have a part time worker double and still pay him $15 less an hour?

 

[UnionStrong]

first off thanks for the friendly discussion. Here is my point

We SHOULD be able to. We used to be able to do that. We used to be able to support a family of 5 off a single income full time. That is even harder to do now days. It shouldn’t be though. And the biggest reason is corporate greed

My whole argument this entire point is a part time warehouse worker at 15 years should have the same hourly rate as a full time warehouse worker. That’s it.

The argument against is artificially lowering the rate for reasons that no one can really explain. I really don’t think im saying anything crazy.

A full time warehouse position guarantees you full time hours. That is a big benefit, especially if you are supporting a family. I’m just saying a part time warehouse worker doing the same job should have the same hourly rate. And no one has really given me a reason against it.

Some have said “part time work shouldn’t support you”, I say don’t worry about that. We’re doing the same job loading packages, we’re both seasoned workers, we’re both in the union, we should get the same rate

A driver who signs a 9.5 list and works 8 hours shouldn’t get a lower hourly rate than the driver who works 10 ( besides over time of course)

Another big point is the low part time wage only weakens full time positions. Why would the company create full time positions when they can just have a part time worker double and still pay him $15 less an hour?

 

[dogs.bite.me]

first off thanks for the friendly discussion. Here is my point

We SHOULD be able to. We used to be able to do that. We used to be able to support a family of 5 off a single income full time. That is even harder to do now days. It shouldn’t be though. And the biggest reason is corporate greed

My whole argument this entire point is a part time warehouse worker at 15 years should have the same hourly rate as a full time warehouse worker. That’s it.

The argument against is artificially lowering the rate for reasons that no one can really explain. I really don’t think im saying anything crazy.

A full time warehouse position guarantees you full time hours. That is a big benefit, especially if you are supporting a family. I’m just saying a part time warehouse worker doing the same job should have the same hourly rate. And no one has really given me a reason against it.

Some have said “part time work shouldn’t support you”, I say don’t worry about that. We’re doing the same job loading packages, we’re both seasoned workers, we’re both in the union, we should get the same rate

A driver who signs a 9.5 list and works 8 hours shouldn’t get a lower hourly rate than the driver who works 10 ( besides over time of course)

Another big point is the low part time wage only weakens full time positions. Why would the company create full time positions when they can just have a part time worker double and still pay him $15 less an hour?

and I say if you want to support yourself, a full time job is what you need.

I agree with corporate greed point. But that’s not going anywhere.

We just differ. There is a cause and effect to everything. If you can live off part time wages, supply and demand will kick in and the corporate greed will kick in causing inflation which will make your wages not enough anymore and the process start all over.

 

[HarryWarden]

and I say if you want to support yourself, a full time job is what you need.

I agree with corporate greed point. But that’s not going anywhere.

We just differ. There is a cause and effect to everything. If you can live off part time wages, supply and demand will kick in and the corporate greed will kick in causing inflation which will make your wages not enough anymore and the process start all over.

ok I’m just going to try make my point one more time, it’s hard over text but I hope you can get it

Let’s forget about the supporting yourself on part time argument. I’ll get back to that

I’m just saying there shouldn’t be a pay difference for the same work for full time vs part time. That’s it.

Your argument for supply and demand goes the other way too, hear me out

By you saying you shouldn’t be able to support yourself on part time wage, thus artificially lowering the wage, you’re also making it harder to support a family on full time wage, and that’s exactly what’s been happening. So many people need two incomes, the husband and wife both working, just to support their family, it didn’t used to be like that

You shouldn’t be artificially lowering the pay of peoples labor because you don’t think they shouldn’t be able to support themselves on those hours.

I’m not here arguing saying “We need a wage for part timers that you can support a family off of!” I’m not even arguing that you should be able to live off just the part time necesarily. I’m just saying whether you’re doing warehouse work for 4 hours vs 8 hours, if youre a long time union worker it should be the same hourly rate

The only argument against that has been “you shouldn’t be able to support yourself off that” and it’s just strange logic to me. You’re advocating artificially lowering the wage of a union workers labor because you don’t want them to be comfortable.

And I hope you can see this point as well, as I feel it’s very important. When you artificially lower the part time workers wage for doing the same job, it creates less of a demand for the company to create full time positions. Why would they create a full time warehouse position when they can pay 2 part time workers to do the same job for less cost?

 

[UnionStrong]

ok I’m just going to try make my point one more time, it’s hard over text but I hope you can get it

Let’s forget about the supporting yourself on part time argument. I’ll get back to that

I’m just saying there shouldn’t be a pay difference for the same work for full time vs part time. That’s it.

Your argument for supply and demand goes the other way too, hear me out

By you saying you shouldn’t be able to support yourself on part time wage, thus artificially lowering the wage, you’re also making it harder to support a family on full time wage, and that’s exactly what’s been happening. So many people need two incomes, the husband and wife both working, just to support their family, it didn’t used to be like that

You shouldn’t be artificially lowering the pay of peoples labor because you don’t think they shouldn’t be able to support themselves on those hours.

I’m not here arguing saying “We need a wage for part timers that you can support a family off of!” I’m not even arguing that you should be able to live off just the part time necesarily. I’m just saying whether you’re doing warehouse work for 4 hours vs 8 hours, if youre a long time union worker it should be the same hourly rate

The only argument against that has been “you shouldn’t be able to support yourself off that” and it’s just strange logic to me. You’re advocating artificially lowering the wage of a union workers labor because you don’t want them to be comfortable.

And I hope you can see this point as well, as I feel it’s very important. When you artificially lower the part time workers wage for doing the same job, it creates less of a demand for the company to create full time positions. Why would they create a full time warehouse position when they can pay 2 part time workers to do the same job for less cost?

Now go away

 

[UnionStrong]

Part time work deserves part time pay

 

[Trash Panda]

I could get behind this as displaced drivers who bump into the hub for benefits get a massive cut hours and pay wise.

On the flip side part time is a mix bag. Longer wait for benefits although you see education assistance and ability to transfer where as FT does not.

What is the right answer? Who knows. One thing is for sure strike or not you wont be seeing it rectified the way you want it. So clouding the forums page after page and now having its own thread wont make a difference. Just makes you look dramatic and stubborn because you cant let it go because people are not siding your way. Get off the social justice wagon.

 

[HarryWarden]

Part time work deserves part time pay

No , it would be half the pay because you’re working half the hours

 

[MyTripisCut]

Part timers are absolutley a part of the reason you have a job. They’re 60% of the labor. Whose loading the trucks?

And how is constant turnover a benefit to the union? It’s absolutey a benefit to the company though, cheap labor that they won’t have to pay health insurance for, but you fools are too manipulated to see through the charade

I’ll load my own truck as long as I get paid for it.

Constant turnover benefits the union by creating a supply of initiation fees. Plus most of the country, PTers pension is controlled by the company, so no money coming into the pension fund=disposable employee. C’mon man, don’t be such a Part Timer.

 

[HarryWarden]

I could get behind this as displaced drivers who bump into the hub for benefits get a massive cut hours and pay wise.

On the flip side part time is a mix bag. Longer wait for benefits although you see education assistance and ability to transfer where as FT does not.

What is the right answer? Who knows. One thing is for sure strike or not you wont be seeing it rectified the way you want it. So clouding the forums page after page and now having its own thread wont make a difference. Just makes you look dramatic and stubborn because you cant let it go because people are not siding your way. Get off the social justice wagon.

Fighting for higher wages has you tell me to get off the social Justice wagon? What’s even the point of a union? Some of you guys are way too wrapped up in identity politics

And yea they offer education to part timers because they know most won’t take it because they won’t have time, since you can barely live off part time

“what’s the answer? Who knows”

Equal pay for equal work. Pretty simple

 

[Generic UPS Monkey]

I just want to dispel the notion that higher wages creates inflation and creates higher prices. The way the union did the math, UPS can certainly pay part time 25/hr while keeping the rate the exact same and still make plenty of money.

That aside, inflation is created by the government literally printing/pumping more money into the economy. It is not created by UPS giving part timers more $. Raising the wage does not 'create' money like printing. It takes more money already floating around the market place and puts it into the pockets of vulnerable workers.

 

[HarryWarden]

I’ll load my own truck as long as I get paid for it.

Constant turnover benefits the union by creating a supply of initiation fees. Plus most of the country, PTers pension is controlled by the company, so no money coming into the pension fund=disposable employee. C’mon man, don’t be such a Part Timer.

“Constant turnover benefits the union by creating a supply of initation fees”

Come on man, don’t be dumb. Higher wages and thus higher monthly union dues long term would benefit the union more

 

[HarryWarden]

I just want to dispel the notion that higher wages creates inflation and creates higher prices. The way the union did the math, UPS can certainly pay part time 25/hr while keeping the rate the exact same and still make plenty of money.

That aside, inflation is created by the government literally printing/pumping more money into the economy. It is not created by UPS giving part timers more $. Raising the wage does not 'create' money like printing. It takes more money already floating around the market place and puts it into the pockets of vulnerable workers.

Corporate media sure has done a number on us. You got people in here arguing that raising wages for blue collar workers will raise inflation, but are silent about CEO and corporate pay skyrocketing

The generations before us who created and died for our unions would be so disappointed in so many of you guys

 

[MyTripisCut]

I just want to dispel the notion that higher wages creates inflation and creates higher prices. The way the union did the math, UPS can certainly pay part time 25/hr while keeping the rate the exact same and still make plenty of money.

That aside, inflation is created by the government literally printing/pumping more money into the economy. It is not created by UPS giving part timers more $. Raising the wage does not 'create' money like printing. It takes more money already floating around the market place and puts it into the pockets of vulnerable workers.

Hang on there cowboy. I’ll use the fast food worker argument. If McDonalds charged $3 for a Big Mac and paid their workers $10 an hour, but the workers demanded $18 an hour and MacDonalds has to give in or they will have no workers…..do you think the CEO is going to be like, “you’re right, I don’t need to make so much money, I was wrong” or are they gonna charge $6 for a Big Mac? News flash, they charge even more…..

 

[MyTripisCut]

“Constant turnover benefits the union by creating a supply of initation fees”

Come on man, don’t be dumb. Higher wages and thus higher monthly union dues long term would benefit the union more

But PTers don’t make higher wages dummy. Lmfaooooo. You are retarded.

 

[TeltBender]

and I say if you want to support yourself, a full time job is what you need.

I agree with corporate greed point. But that’s not going anywhere.

We just differ. There is a cause and effect to everything. If you can live off part time wages, supply and demand will kick in and the corporate greed will kick in causing inflation which will make your wages not enough anymore and the process start all over.

Being able to support yourself is not part of the equation, it’s more about paying PT and 22.3 inside the same rate for the same work. Do I think I should be able to support myself on $35 an hour with only 17.5 hours? No. But I want to make the same rate as the guy next to me doing the same work