Brownsocks
Just a dog
Have you been on BC all night? Just wow! We can't do anything to help your situation brother. At this point you are literally beating a dead horse to pulp. There are other issues that you could discuss.
Should part time employees make the same rate as full time employees?
- Thread starter HarryWarden
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Just A UPS Guy
Bully.
He's very intent on cutting 80,000 or so jobs.
Thebrownblob
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dogs.bite.me
Well-Known Member
So tell me why McDonald’s prices have gone up?
Paying people more creates inflation. It’s basic economics. Companies still want their profit margins. When their costs increase (because of labor or anything else) they charge more for their goods and services so they can make or increase their profit margins.
Cmon man. This is basic economics learned in 6th grade.
Nobody is arguing that point.
We all agree, high mgmt gets paid too much for what they do.
You’re conflating arguments just to try and “win”.
We’ve said multiple times, that we hope you get much more. But getting enough to support oneself fully on is not what a part time job is anymore.
You can fight to change it back to that, but that goes beyond UPS and comes down to the root of the problem, corporate greed.
Brownsocks
Just a dog
I'm very intent on Centrals pension getting bumped to match the West, but my thoughts aren't going Flagellant about it.
Trash Panda
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Read pages and pages of your sensless bs. You want it all now and think since the union leaders are beating the drum poverty wages you deserve 31 an hour for doing the same job as a ft loader for 10 years. Its not going to happen in this contract. Maybe over the course of two.
Only threw in the sjw wnba reference to get you to see there is more to the larger picture than your one sided debate. You have horse blinders on refuse to notice.
upschuck
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Should PT get ot after 5 hrs then? If so, the PT person would be making more than the FT person. Doesn't seem quite fair to me.
Brownsocks
Just a dog
Well damn. This will get him started again.
upschuck
Well-Known Member
My apologies, sir.
retiredTxfeeder
cap'n crunch
You PT'ers are preaching to the choir. When I started PT back in my day, at least where I was, HR had a requirement that you MUST be enrolled in a college with a minimum amount of semester hours on your schedule. After 4 months of PT, I made the same hourly wage as FT drivers. 14 months after I started, a driver job opened up and I signed for it. The incentive? 40+ hours with automatic overtime. I just improved my self first chance I got. The PT job was always meant to be a stepping stone, not a career.
@HarryWarden I appreciate your passion, but you are still wrong. This will be a pretty long post and I apologize to the community.
Your argument is, should a PT employee make the same hourly wage the as a FT employee. This is essentially what we are speaking of without the "red herring" fallacy you use with the 9.5 list argument, totally irrelevant. To answer your question, PT employees should not make the same as a FT employee. FT guys make more than PT because companies have to attract employees to commit to them for 8hrs a day or more. Since they are investing more into the employee, the employee is offered more money than his PT counterpart to sweeten the deal. Also, there is more wear and tear on the FT body compared to PT due to the amount of hrs they work, and they are given a higher salary to offset this personal cost. There are other factors that we really don't have time to discuss, but these are the main ones I judge.
You claim that equal pay for equal work establishes a right to make the same wage, but you misuse this argument as a form of gaslighting. This argument is only valid when two people, normally a man vs a woman, have the exact same job (both FT), doing the exact same work (next to each other in an assembly line doing the same thing), and paying the man more just because he is a man. This argument doesn't apply to you because it is not the same job, you are PT while he is FT. Yes, you both may share the same duties in the morning, this doesn't equate to the same job, which you established by you being PT while he is FT.
Your argument over inflation doesn't pan out as well. Back in 2002 when I was first hired, starting hourly wage was $8.50 and minimum wage was $5.15. Looking at the American Institute for Economic Research, that pay today ($8.50) would be $13.83 an hour while minimum wage in Louisiana is $7.25. UPS starting pay is now $15.50, so you all are making a lot more than us starting off, quit playing the violin of your sad song.
Where we all agree is that PT pay should be more than $15.50 at UPS, even UPS agrees and "supposedly" offered $17.50 to the union. I hope y'all get more than $17.50 and I will gladly walk that picket line in solidarity with you all.
The issue is your constant whining about how much this FT guy makes compared to you. You are such a distraction to the cause you claim to believe in. Here is the ugly truth, you lack grit son. It's not your fault, its ours. We have made a generation of weak men. We gave our kids more than we had spoiling them silly, and society has given you a victimhood mentality that you are owed everything and it's not your fault for the situation you are in. I worked PT at UPS, going to college FT T/TH from 10:45-9:00 if I had an evening class while also having a second job M/W/Fri-Sat. It was hard as hell and pushed me to my limits, but I endured and came out the other side. When I was able to TCD at UPS, I could quit my second job and just work at UPS which made it easier, but it was still tough. Your generation is full of crybabies, and everyone else is so sick of it. We never complained like y'all, we worked hard and got ahead, but more importantly, we made sacrifices. if you want to work PT and go to school, that's great, live with your parents. If this option isn't available, work a second job and knuckle up. You will have to sacrifice until you die. You can still make it on one income in life, you just can't have all the shiny toys and big houses others have. My family made it on just my income for over 15 yrs. My wife raised the kids while going to college PT and I brought home the bacon. She got her degree, started working PT when the youngest was in 7th grade, and will get promoted to FT next year making more than me. Why am I telling you my story, because it's a success story of hard work and grit. Find yours and be a survivor, not a lifelong victim.
Your argument is, should a PT employee make the same hourly wage the as a FT employee. This is essentially what we are speaking of without the "red herring" fallacy you use with the 9.5 list argument, totally irrelevant. To answer your question, PT employees should not make the same as a FT employee. FT guys make more than PT because companies have to attract employees to commit to them for 8hrs a day or more. Since they are investing more into the employee, the employee is offered more money than his PT counterpart to sweeten the deal. Also, there is more wear and tear on the FT body compared to PT due to the amount of hrs they work, and they are given a higher salary to offset this personal cost. There are other factors that we really don't have time to discuss, but these are the main ones I judge.
You claim that equal pay for equal work establishes a right to make the same wage, but you misuse this argument as a form of gaslighting. This argument is only valid when two people, normally a man vs a woman, have the exact same job (both FT), doing the exact same work (next to each other in an assembly line doing the same thing), and paying the man more just because he is a man. This argument doesn't apply to you because it is not the same job, you are PT while he is FT. Yes, you both may share the same duties in the morning, this doesn't equate to the same job, which you established by you being PT while he is FT.
Your argument over inflation doesn't pan out as well. Back in 2002 when I was first hired, starting hourly wage was $8.50 and minimum wage was $5.15. Looking at the American Institute for Economic Research, that pay today ($8.50) would be $13.83 an hour while minimum wage in Louisiana is $7.25. UPS starting pay is now $15.50, so you all are making a lot more than us starting off, quit playing the violin of your sad song.
Where we all agree is that PT pay should be more than $15.50 at UPS, even UPS agrees and "supposedly" offered $17.50 to the union. I hope y'all get more than $17.50 and I will gladly walk that picket line in solidarity with you all.
The issue is your constant whining about how much this FT guy makes compared to you. You are such a distraction to the cause you claim to believe in. Here is the ugly truth, you lack grit son. It's not your fault, its ours. We have made a generation of weak men. We gave our kids more than we had spoiling them silly, and society has given you a victimhood mentality that you are owed everything and it's not your fault for the situation you are in. I worked PT at UPS, going to college FT T/TH from 10:45-9:00 if I had an evening class while also having a second job M/W/Fri-Sat. It was hard as hell and pushed me to my limits, but I endured and came out the other side. When I was able to TCD at UPS, I could quit my second job and just work at UPS which made it easier, but it was still tough. Your generation is full of crybabies, and everyone else is so sick of it. We never complained like y'all, we worked hard and got ahead, but more importantly, we made sacrifices. if you want to work PT and go to school, that's great, live with your parents. If this option isn't available, work a second job and knuckle up. You will have to sacrifice until you die. You can still make it on one income in life, you just can't have all the shiny toys and big houses others have. My family made it on just my income for over 15 yrs. My wife raised the kids while going to college PT and I brought home the bacon. She got her degree, started working PT when the youngest was in 7th grade, and will get promoted to FT next year making more than me. Why am I telling you my story, because it's a success story of hard work and grit. Find yours and be a survivor, not a lifelong victim.
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PT Car Washer
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Just A UPS Guy
Bully.
No TLDR at the end....damn dude, you're kind of a
My kids would concur with your assessment!No TLDR at the end....damn dude, you're kind of a
Staydryitsraining
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Full timers and part timers aren't the same people. We don't work the same schedule we don't put up with the same bs. The laziest driver still works 100x harder than the hardest working part timer. Most part timers aren't busting their ass. They show up, they move slow as hell, they have some of the worst work ethic I've ever encountered and are entitled. You get health insurance a pension and vacation. On top of all of that they consistently never vote. Drivers and part timers shouldn't even have the same contract. The union willing to strike over part time wages is absurd. If the company can't keep part timers through the door that is their problem thus they should figure out what that amount is to shut the revolving door.
retiredTxfeeder
cap'n crunch
When I first started driving, it was a driver sort and load building. the pros were, 1. you knew there were no misloads 2. you loaded it stop for stop. 3. There were no question if you had air and commit packages. 4. You knew the accurate stop count. The cons, in summer, you were soaked with sweat before you even hit the road.
HarryWarden
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I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT DRIVERS. I must have said that 200 times now. Drivers work a different job and deserve higher pay. I am talking about part time warehouse and full time warehouse workers
HarryWarden
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Man, with all due respect, screw you. You know nothing about me to call me weak or a cry baby besides me fighting for a higher wage, which is what the union is all about. I’m not ashamed at all for fighting for higher wages when the CEO MAKES $20 million a year
You talk about making $8.50 an hour in 2002, well guess what, I started off making $8.50 an hour in 2010, and cost of living rose even more in those years. And i worked, and still work, DAMN hard. I don’t know how hard you work, so I won’t say I work harder than you, but I can confidently say you didn’t work harder than me
So, again, respectfully,
off with this generational cry baby . I’m fighting for my piece that I work for and bust my body over and pay thousands of dollars in union dues for.Similar threads
