Should part time employees make the same rate as full time employees?

[HarryWarden]

Your cost of living is no the union's problem. The biggest downside to unions is they don't care about "fair" they're in the business of "equal"

Huh? Cost of living is absolutley the unions problem, COLA is part of the agreement. It might not be perfect, but it’s absolutley part of their job

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

Huh? Cost of living is absolutley the unions problem, COLA is part of the agreement. It might not be perfect, but it’s absolutley part of their job

As long as everyone gets it.

 

[Brownsocks]

You’re looking at it the wrong way, and taking the rich corporate sides. Look at it this way, in the 1950s, a man could support a family of 5 on a warehouse job straight out highschool

At that time, on average, the highest paid position at the company, the ceo, made on average 10x more than the lowest paid employee

Today, the average is over 300x. The ups CEO makes about 500x more than the lowest paid employee

Unless we put a stop to it, and stop taking the ceo side over the worker side, like you’re doing by saying what you’re saying, it will only get worse

How come you’re now out here fighting and saying “increasing wages for ceos cause inflation”? They want you to be doing what you’re doing

Inflation adjusted minimum wage was around $8.52 an hour in 1955.
Median family income in 1955 was $4400, or $49,931.30 when adjusted for inflation.
Median family income in 2022 was $56,420.

 

[What'dyabringmetoday???]

Listen up sonny
He was a part-timer and I have a lot of respect for that punk ass because he worked a boatload of ours
He actually took a pay cut taking a full-time driving job because he has to go through progression but he is smart enough to have his eye on the prize

You could learn a lot from him






I'll still bust his chops but I do have a lot of respect for him

Wow- you put a few sentences together. Good for you!

 

[Pullman Brown]

That’s true. Genuine question, how do we deal with that as a union? UPS is doing MRA with starting wages as high as $26 an hour, but they can also take it away whenever they want and for any reason, which is obviously no good

And you can’t just tell everyone to leave the cities. The rural areas depend on the cities. Red states routinely take in more federal funding than funds that they produce, and often the opposite for blue cities

You can’t, decisions are being made on macro economic levels that are way bigger than unions and one company! Ask yourself why is the company having to do the MRA in the first place. Labor pool? Competition? City? State? Etc.. Economy’s are complicated in a small area now add a whole country! My point is, if you have language that doesn’t allow the flexible MRA, do you think it’s going to stop the complaining? Even if the Union gets what it wants it’s not going to stop because the country looks different financially and the nature of the part-time job.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Part timers get to go home to mom’s house, rub one out and then play video games all day, waiting for mom to come home and make dinner. Efff off

Wait a minute…. Why the hell did I go full-time?

 

[Thebrownblob]

Apparently the union, the company, and the vast majority of employees who voted on contracts before you all disagree.

Part timers deserve a better deal.
But equal pay for equal work is a misnomer.

Equal work for equal sacrifice.

Part timers can show up high, drunk, or not at all. They get away with murder compared to the standard set for full timers.

Dammit, I chose wrong.

 

[UnionStrong]

Dammit, I chose wrong.

I wish I had worked part time…

 

[9.5mania]

I don’t know how hard you work, so I won’t say I work harder than you, but I can confidently say you didn’t work harder than me

Harry, Harry, Harry. Can you please explain what you mean here? It seems to me like a contradiction in terms, and I know that’s not what you mean. So, out of charity and before I judge, can you please explain your premises.

Also, we agree you deserve more than $25 an hr since you have been employed since 2010. There, I’ve extended an olive branch.

 

[UnionStrong]

That’s true. Genuine question, how do we deal with that as a union? UPS is doing MRA with starting wages as high as $26 an hour, but they can also take it away whenever they want and for any reason, which is obviously no good

And you can’t just tell everyone to leave the cities. The rural areas depend on the cities. Red states routinely take in more federal funding than funds that they produce, and often the opposite for blue cities

msnbc tell you that?

 

[Pullman Brown]

Huh? Cost of living is absolutley the unions problem, COLA is part of the agreement. It might not be perfect, but it’s absolutley part of their job

COLA is different depending on where you live right? Forget that metric they use now. Put that aside. If you want it to be fair then the contract language would not be equal and not be on seniority but on where you live which is more in line with the current MRA setup. If it’s equal then it’s based on seniority, which will help more or less depending on where you live. Either way it ain’t going to make you happy! You want fair or equal?

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

COLA is different depending on where you live right? Forget that metric they use now. Put that aside. If you want it to be fair then the contract language would not be equal and not be on seniority but on where you live which is more in line with the current MRA setup. If it’s equal then it’s based on seniority, which will help more or less depending on where you live. Either way it ain’t going to make you happy! You want fair or equal?

He wants to get paid top rate and doesn't care if it costs 100,000 people their jobs or benefits.

 

[HarryWarden]

Harry, Harry, Harry. Can you please explain what you mean here? It seems to me like a contradiction in terms, and I know that’s not what you mean. So, out of charity and before I judge, can you please explain your premises.

Also, we agree you deserve more than $25 an hr since you have been employed since 2010. There, I’ve extended an olive branch.

It was my way of trying to say, in my limited level of intellect, that the level of effort and ethic I have given to my work at this company (foolishly so maybe in retrospect) that I am fairly confident you didn’t work harder than me, since I gave it my all and I am luckily a fairly capable adult male. But at the same time I wouldn’t be surprised that you’re a hard worker yourself, so im not going to claim I work harder than you, just that unless your an Olympic athlete or using performance enhancing drugs, then we are probably equal if you also have given it your all consistently.

I know some of it is tongue in cheek, but I am a bit surprised at the level of disrespect towards part timers on here. Im sure it can be frustrating when you have such a tough job like driving and have to deal with some bum loading your truck poorly making your day even harder, I get that, it’s just also frustrating being told you’re a lazy bum just because you’re part time, when all of us were part time at one point. I’ve worked 80 hour weeks at this place for a year, 7 days a week when offered, and just because of certain circumstances im not taking a full time position I don’t think it’s fair to say I don’t deserve a fair hourly rate.

Im not trying to be a hypocrite by doing what I just spoke against, but it can be discouraging to be loading next to the full time warehouse worker while I am working easily twice as hard as he is and meanwhile he is getting $15 more an hour than me while I am in over time, and we’ve been here the same number of years.

I didn’t think it was such a controversial belief that a fully progressed long term warehouse worker should make the same hourly rate, whether part time or full time until I posted here. I think one mistake I made was in my wording, and a lot of people mistakenly thought I meant part time warehouse workers should make the same as drivers, which is ludicrous. Drivers absolutley should make more

I just think it’s weird that people think the only way you should support yourself is on a full time job. I think a full time job should support a family, and still be able to save money after. You guys work hard enough to deserve that, that’s for sure. So I guess I just don’t see why on the opposite end, a part time job shouldn’t be able to support a single guy, atleast let him pay rent and go to school or figure things out. Or just live life with atleast the bare minimum.

sorry for the novel, but thanks for reading of you got this far

 

[HarryWarden]

He wants to get paid top rate and doesn't care if it costs 100,000 people their jobs or benefits.

That doesn’t apply to full timers and drivers though huh? Just me? You don’t care about your top rate? You talking about cost lot living for different areas, but that only applies to part timers I guess… how greedy of me

 

[Pullman Brown]

It was my way of trying to say, in my limited level of intellect, that the level of effort and ethic I have given to my work at this company (foolishly so maybe in retrospect) that I am fairly confident you didn’t work harder than me, since I gave it my all and I am luckily a fairly capable adult male. But at the same time I wouldn’t be surprised that you’re a hard worker yourself, so im not going to claim I work harder than you, just that unless your an Olympic athlete or using performance enhancing drugs, then we are probably equal if you also have given it your all consistently.

I know some of it is tongue in cheek, but I am a bit surprised at the level of disrespect towards part timers on here. Im sure it can be frustrating when you have such a tough job like driving and have to deal with some bum loading your truck poorly making your day even harder, I get that, it’s just also frustrating being told you’re a lazy bum just because you’re part time, when all of us were part time at one point. I’ve worked 80 hour weeks at this place for a year, 7 days a week when offered, and just because of certain circumstances im not taking a full time position I don’t think it’s fair to say I don’t deserve a fair hourly rate.

Im not trying to be a hypocrite by doing what I just spoke against, but it can be discouraging to be loading next to the full time warehouse worker while I am working easily twice as hard as he is and meanwhile he is getting $15 more an hour than me while I am in over time, and we’ve been here the same number of years.

I didn’t think it was such a controversial belief that a fully progressed long term warehouse worker should make the same hourly rate, whether part time or full time until I posted here. I think one mistake I made was in my wording, and a lot of people mistakenly thought I meant part time warehouse workers should make the same as drivers, which is ludicrous. Drivers absolutley should make more

I just think it’s weird that people think the only way you should support yourself is on a full time job. I think a full time job should support a family, and still be able to save money after. You guys work hard enough to deserve that, that’s for sure. So I guess I just don’t see why on the opposite end, a part time job shouldn’t be able to support a single guy, atleast let him pay rent and go to school or figure things out. Or just live life with atleast the bare minimum.

sorry for the novel, but thanks for reading of you got this far

What state do you live in?

How many hours do you average a week?

How long have you been with the company?

Unfortunately, with the cost of living in some cities/areas the reality is, even for a single dudes, you either have to get another job or get a roommate.

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

That doesn’t apply to full timers and drivers though huh? Just me? You don’t care about your top rate? You talking about cost lot living for different areas, but that only applies to part timers I guess… how greedy of me

No, I said cost of living in different areas is not the union's fight.

And I'm all for paying more and getting rid of these PT jobs, making more FT, you just want it all without considering consequence.

 

[Thebrownblob]

No, I said cost of living in different areas is not the union's fight.

And I'm all for paying more and getting rid of these PT jobs, making more FT, you just want it all without considering consequence.

This is what I fought for in 1997 and I still believe….

“With 185,000 Teamsters on strike for nearly three weeks beginning on August 4, 1997, fighting under the slogan of “Part-Time America Won't Work,” the UPS strike proved to be the most popular strike in a generation”

 

[Pullman Brown]

This is what I fought for in 1997 and I still believe….
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“With 185,000 Teamsters on strike for nearly three weeks beginning on August 4, 1997, fighting under the slogan of “Part-Time America Won't Work,” the UPS strike proved to be the most popular strike in a generation”

That generation of part-timer wanted full-time jobs, this is a different generation. Been many opportunities the past three years. That’s why the slogan is different this time. Pay not job.

 

[HarryWarden]

That generation of part-timer wanted full-time jobs, this is a different generation. Been many opportunities the past three years. That’s why the slogan is different this time. Pay not job.

Stop with this different generation crap. You’re not some special snowflake. Every single generation for thousands of years has complained about the next generation.

People still want full time jobs. Not everyone is in a circumstance where they can have a full time job right now, maybe it’s a mom working while her kids are at school, or a dad working an extra shift while the kids are sleeping, or a young man paying his way through school, but that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t get paid a fair wage for doing honest, physical labor work

 

[Pullman Brown]

Stop with this different generation crap. You’re not some special snowflake. Every single generation for thousands of years has complained about the next generation.

People still want full time jobs. Not everyone is in a circumstance where they can have a full time job right now, maybe it’s a mom working while her kids are at school, or a dad working an extra shift while the kids are sleeping, or a young man paying his way through school, but that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t get paid a fair wage for doing honest, physical labor work

Younger generations are always unwise and need to grow up that’s why they say it but not every generation is equal in there level of immaturity, welfare state which encourages laziness, fatherlessness, and on and on I could go.

Those examples you mentioned above, sorry buddy but we can get into some deep ethical, philosophical questions, if you want, but I’ll just leave it at this. Some of those decisions that led to those circumstances were because of bad decisions and choices have consequences for this life and the next. You want talk about past generations. then suck it and shut up because they had it alot worse than you. You might be a good example of what your generation is not, awesome, but I stand by what I said!