Should part time employees make the same rate as full time employees?

[HarryWarden]

Should PT get ot after 5 hrs then? If so, the PT person would be making more than the FT person. Doesn't seem quite fair to me.

Nope, equal pay and equal over time hours, I agree with you there

 

[HarryWarden]

So tell me why McDonald’s prices have gone up?

Paying people more creates inflation. It’s basic economics. Companies still want their profit margins. When their costs increase (because of labor or anything else) they charge more for their goods and services so they can make or increase their profit margins.

Cmon man. This is basic economics learned in 6th grade.

You’re looking at it the wrong way, and taking the rich corporate sides. Look at it this way, in the 1950s, a man could support a family of 5 on a warehouse job straight out highschool

At that time, on average, the highest paid position at the company, the ceo, made on average 10x more than the lowest paid employee

Today, the average is over 300x. The ups CEO makes about 500x more than the lowest paid employee

Unless we put a stop to it, and stop taking the ceo side over the worker side, like you’re doing by saying what you’re saying, it will only get worse

How come you’re now out here fighting and saying “increasing wages for ceos cause inflation”? They want you to be doing what you’re doing

 

[Ptrunner]

@HarryWarden I appreciate your passion, but you are still wrong. This will be a pretty long post and I apologize to the community.

Your argument is, should a PT employee make the same hourly wage the as a FT employee. This is essentially what we are speaking of without the "red herring" fallacy you use with the 9.5 list argument, totally irrelevant. To answer your question, PT employees should not make the same as a FT employee. FT guys make more than PT because companies have to attract employees to commit to them for 8hrs a day or more. Since they are investing more into the employee, the employee is offered more money than his PT counterpart to sweeten the deal. Also, there is more wear and tear on the FT body compared to PT due to the amount of hrs they work, and they are given a higher salary to offset this personal cost. There are other factors that we really don't have time to discuss, but these are the main ones I judge.

You claim that equal pay for equal work establishes a right to make the same wage, but you misuse this argument as a form of gaslighting. This argument is only valid when two people, normally a man vs a woman, have the exact same job (both FT), doing the exact same work (next to each other in an assembly line doing the same thing), and paying the man more just because he is a man. This argument doesn't apply to you because it is not the same job, you are PT while he is FT. Yes, you both may share the same duties in the morning, this doesn't equate to the same job, which you established by you being PT while he is FT.

Your argument over inflation doesn't pan out as well. Back in 2002 when I was first hired, starting hourly wage was $8.50 and minimum wage was $5.15. Looking at the American Institute for Economic Research, that pay today ($8.50) would be $13.83 an hour while minimum wage in Louisiana is $7.25. UPS starting pay is now $15.50, so you all are making a lot more than us starting off, quit playing the violin of your sad song.

Where we all agree is that PT pay should be more than $15.50 at UPS, even UPS agrees and "supposedly" offered $17.50 to the union. I hope y'all get more than $17.50 and I will gladly walk that picket line in solidarity with you all.

The issue is your constant whining about how much this FT guy makes compared to you. You are such a distraction to the cause you claim to believe in. Here is the ugly truth, you lack grit son. It's not your fault, its ours. We have made a generation of weak men. We gave our kids more than we had spoiling them silly, and society has given you a victimhood mentality that you are owed everything and it's not your fault for the situation you are in. I worked PT at UPS, going to college FT T/TH from 10:45-9:00 if I had an evening class while also having a second job M/W/Fri-Sat. It was hard as hell and pushed me to my limits, but I endured and came out the other side. When I was able to TCD at UPS, I could quit my second job and just work at UPS which made it easier, but it was still tough. Your generation is full of crybabies, and everyone else is so sick of it. We never complained like y'all, we worked hard and got ahead, but more importantly, we made sacrifices. if you want to work PT and go to school, that's great, live with your parents. If this option isn't available, work a second job and knuckle up. You will have to sacrifice until you die. You can still make it on one income in life, you just can't have all the shiny toys and big houses others have. My family made it on just my income for over 15 yrs. My wife raised the kids while going to college PT and I brought home the bacon. She got her degree, started working PT when the youngest was in 7th grade, and will get promoted to FT next year making more than me. Why am I telling you my story, because it's a success story of hard work and grit. Find yours and be a survivor, not a lifelong victim.

Fix the MRA . This past peak a new hire was making more than a 22 year part timer with 22 per hour and 200 attendance bonus.

MRA should be coming to full time soon. You’ll see how you like it.

 

[dogs.bite.me]

You’re looking at it the wrong way, and taking the rich corporate sides. Look at it this way, in the 1950s, a man could support a family of 5 on a warehouse job straight out highschool

At that time, on average, the highest paid position at the company, the ceo, made on average 10x more than the lowest paid employee

Today, the average is over 300x. The ups CEO makes about 500x more than the lowest paid employee

Unless we put a stop to it, and stop taking the ceo side over the worker side, like you’re doing by saying what you’re saying, it will only get worse

How come you’re now out here fighting and saying “increasing wages for ceos cause inflation”? They want you to be doing what you’re doing

very few 1 CEO to 180000 PT workers. Do you know how inflation works? Supply and demand economics?

 

[HarryWarden]

very few 1 CEO to 180000 PT workers. Do you know how inflation works? Supply and demand economics?

Ups did just fine paying starting wage at 1980, the same rate as 2010.

Paying workers what they deserve doesn’t cause inflation. If anything it helps the economy by putting money in peoples pockets and encourages more spending which will stimulate the economy and create more jobs

 

[PT Car Washer]

Ups did just fine paying starting wage at 1980, the same rate as 2010.

Paying workers what they deserve doesn’t cause inflation. If anything it helps the economy by putting money in peoples pockets and encourages more spending which will stimulate the economy and create more jobs

UPS did just fine paying FT and PT the same wages for almost 20 years. Now with record profits they are crying poor.

 

[Sixth Punch Sense]

 

[dudebro]

UPS did just fine paying FT and PT the same wages for almost 20 years. Now with record profits they are crying poor.

You should still get paid according to the difficulty and responsibility you take on. Humping packages around a hub or preload in the middle of the night is one thing. Yea it sucks getting up at 2AM, never a natural act. However, operating a commercial vehicle in public amid changing conditions, and being the face of the organization is a HUGE step up in skill and responsibility, and that difference should be compensated accordingly. NFW package handlers and service providers should be paid the same.

 

[PT Car Washer]

You should still get paid according to the difficulty and responsibility you take on. Humping packages around a hub or preload in the middle of the night is one thing. Yea it sucks getting up at 2AM, never a natural act. However, operating a commercial vehicle in public amid changing conditions, and being the face of the organization is a HUGE step up in skill and responsibility, and that difference should be compensated accordingly. NFW package handlers and service providers should be paid the same.

You mean the difficulty of emptying the trash cans and cleaning the toilets for $40/hr. A lot of responsibility there I will give it to you.

 

[dudebro]

You mean the difficulty of emptying the trash cans and cleaning the toilets for $40/hr. A lot of responsibility there I will give it to you.

Like a porter represents our FT workforce? How many of those jobs are there compared to drivers? Let's face it, porter and carwash jobs were pre-retirement parking spots for drivers whose bodies gave out before they reached their eligible date.

 

[PT Car Washer]

Like a porter represents our FT workforce? How many of those jobs are there compared to drivers? Let's face it, porter and carwash jobs were pre-retirement parking spots for drivers whose bodies gave out before they reached their eligible date.

Most of our Porters and some car washers seem pretty healthy and most have been doing the job for decades.

 

[Jkloc420]

I poop in every ups package car I go into

 

[BrownStains]

I’ve worked pt preload for 10 years and and about 10 full time as a driver. Preload is tough, no doubt they should get a raise too, but I still think being full time driving is harder. It’s not the same. I had that mentality when I was pt , thinking that the drivers were spoiled and made too much. Until I got the job and did it for awhile then I realized it wasn’t so easy .You have far more responsibilities . There’s a lot more to it than pt. That’s why pay isn’t the same

 

[HarryWarden]

I’ve worked pt preload for 10 years and and about 10 full time as a driver. Preload is tough, no doubt they should get a raise too, but I still think being full time driving is harder. It’s not the same. I had that mentality when I was pt , thinking that the drivers were spoiled and made too much. Until I got the job and did it for awhile then I realized it wasn’t so easy .You have far more responsibilities . There’s a lot more to it than pt. That’s why pay isn’t the same

Full time driver is absolutley a different responsibility and deserves a higher hourly rate, no question

When I say fully progressed part time workers deserve the same hourly rate as full time workers, I am strictly talking about inside warehouse work

 

[UnionStrong]

 

[UnionStrong]

Full time driver is absolutley a different responsibility and deserves a higher hourly rate, no question

When I say fully progressed part time workers deserve the same hourly rate as full time workers, I am strictly talking about inside warehouse work

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT DRIVERS. I must have said that 200 times now. Drivers work a different job and deserve higher pay. I am talking about part time warehouse and full time warehouse workers

We don't warehouse anything.

 

[Pullman Brown]

It makes perfect sense. Look at how well it’s working just in this thread. Full timers have complete disrespect and almost anger towards part timers wanting a fair wage. I haven’t seen any comments about how much the CEO and shareholders make, but lots of animosity towards fellow blue collar workers keeping the operation running

What’s fair? What’s a living wage? Each state and city is different. In some of these cities 40/50 dollars a hour at part-time hours wouldn’t cut it. Here’s the red pill that some of you need to swallow. Get out of these cities and states! And you can under this new contract. Hell, I just heard in San Francisco that if you make a $100k a year you are lower class.

 

[HarryWarden]

What’s fair? What’s a living wage? Each state and city is different. In some of these cities 40/50 dollars a hour at part-time hours wouldn’t cut it. Here’s the red pill that some of you need to swallow. Get out of these cities and states! And you can under this new contract. Hell, I just heard in San Francisco that if you make a $100k a year you are lower class.

That’s true. Genuine question, how do we deal with that as a union? UPS is doing MRA with starting wages as high as $26 an hour, but they can also take it away whenever they want and for any reason, which is obviously no good

And you can’t just tell everyone to leave the cities. The rural areas depend on the cities. Red states routinely take in more federal funding than funds that they produce, and often the opposite for blue cities

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

That’s true. Genuine question, how do we deal with that as a union? UPS is doing MRA with starting wages as high as $26 an hour, but they can also take it away whenever they want and for any reason, which is obviously no good

And you can’t just tell everyone to leave the cities. The rural areas depend on the cities. Red states routinely take in more federal funding than funds that they produce, and often the opposite for blue cities

Your cost of living is no the union's problem. The biggest downside to unions is they don't care about "fair" they're in the business of "equal"