Should part time employees make the same rate as full time employees?

Undertow

Well-Known Member
Full timers and part timers aren't the same people. We don't work the same schedule we don't put up with the same bs. The laziest driver still works 100x harder than the hardest working part timer. Most part timers aren't busting their ass. They show up, they move slow as hell, they have some of the worst work ethic I've ever encountered and are entitled. You get health insurance a pension and vacation. On top of all of that they consistently never vote. Drivers and part timers shouldn't even have the same contract. The union willing to strike over part time wages is absurd. If the company can't keep part timers through the door that is their problem thus they should figure out what that amount is to shut the revolving door.
Well to be fair, the benefits don't kick in now until 9 months down the road and that's not only a serious step back from when I began as a PT but somewhere between a tacit or blatant symbol of how the company doesn't feel 60% of it's workforce isn't worth investing in not only longer term but even medium term. It's basically saying to new hires "Our goal is to get as much as possible out of you for 8 months while paying you an insulting substandard wage and hopefully you will quit before reaching 9 months". How many of us who began here as PT over 3 decades ago would have stuck around long enough to bid on a FT position if that were the message the company telegraphed to us back then?

The majority of the best and most committed of the other FT drivers in my building rose from the PT ranks. While there are outside hires who have come in off the street and become dependable drivers, their success rate is noticeably lower. By persisting in holding these starting wages too low for too long, there's a fair chance that the company is slowly killing the goose that lays the best eggs because the practice risks disrupting the culture that helped breed a committed FT employee.

I definitely do agree with you on their lack of initiative in regards to voting. When they continuously blow off every opportunity to exercise what clearly is their majority power where they could best effectively make their voices heard, the whining gets old and old quickly. Whining isn't using their voice. Voting is using their voice.
 

Undertow

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Younger generations are always unwise and need to grow up that’s why they say it but not every generation is equal in there level of immaturity, welfare state which encourages laziness, fatherlessness, and on and on I could go.

Those examples you mentioned above, sorry buddy but we can get into some deep ethical, philosophical questions, if you want, but I’ll just leave it at this. Some of those decisions that led to those circumstances were because of bad decisions and choices have consequences for this life and the next. You want talk about past generations. then suck it and shut up because they had it alot worse than you. You might be a good example of what your generation is not, awesome, but I stand by what I said!
I don't think I'd put the blame all on one generation. It's not as if all of them at once decided individually to go max out their first ever credit card on a spring break trip to Florida. There's plenty of 20-somethings out there today who arrived at adulthood having watched their parents work plenty hard only to get laid off due to mergers and consolidations while being told the only way to have a shot at a middle class life was to get a 4 year university degree at a time when the price to attain that rose double to triple the cost from when they were in junior high school. It's not as if those us who are now in our 40's and 50's were confronted with a change that abrupt on such a wide scale.

It's plenty understandable that many of them would feel frustration.
 

retiredTxfeeder

cap'n crunch
I know it will never happen at this job probably, but COLA is a pretty big deal, with the current economy. My father retired in 1966 and got a COLA on his retirement funds. SS gets COLA. My UPS/Teamster pension is stuck at 2015 levels, never to go up. As you age and your health deteriorates, meds are a necessary evil. Even with an advantage plan, my meds are pretty expensive. Every little bit helps. Retirees don't get a say. I'm not complaining, but it's just a real thing, and whippersnappers don't think about it.
 

9.5mania

Well-Known Member
Wow, so much to comment on, everyone makes valid points.

There is something different about this generation I judge. As a steward, I have never seen such a lack of professionalism and work ethic. Young people with no call no shows, or just working 1-2 days a week. It’s not just PT, but FT youngsters as well. Again, we allow this and by not addressing issues at work and letting it happen at home.

The sell on a college education has been a disservice to our youth. Kids are in massive amounts of debt for a degree that’s not worth it. A semester at Southeastern when I went cost $1700 for 12+ classes. Today, it cost $1700 for each 3 credit class.

I’d rather the government subsidize people working, giving them a hand and help while limiting the amount we give to those who aren’t doing a damn thing even though they are able to work.

We need to fix PT insurance and reward longtime PT’s with better pay. Waiting 9 months for their health insurance to kick in was a cave by prior administration. We also need to get back to recruiting in college campuses again and hopefully with new hourly rate, we can be a little more selective in hiring.

I’m fine with COLA as long as it’s across the board and not area specific. I don’t want extra subsidies going to high tax states. I understand it cost more to live there, but adding more taxable income isn’t the solution. Vote for people who will lower government spending, not increase it.
 
Wow, so much to comment on, everyone makes valid points.

There is something different about this generation I judge. As a steward, I have never seen such a lack of professionalism and work ethic. Young people with no call no shows, or just working 1-2 days a week. It’s not just PT, but FT youngsters as well. Again, we allow this and by not addressing issues at work and letting it happen at home.

The sell on a college education has been a disservice to our youth. Kids are in massive amounts of debt for a degree that’s not worth it. A semester at Southeastern when I went cost $1700 for 12+ classes. Today, it cost $1700 for each 3 credit class.

I’d rather the government subsidize people working, giving them a hand and help while limiting the amount we give to those who aren’t doing a damn thing even though they are able to work.

We need to fix PT insurance and reward longtime PT’s with better pay. Waiting 9 months for their health insurance to kick in was a cave by prior administration. We also need to get back to recruiting in college campuses again and hopefully with new hourly rate, we can be a little more selective in hiring.

I’m fine with COLA as long as it’s across the board and not area specific. I don’t want extra subsidies going to high tax states. I understand it cost more to live there, but adding more taxable income isn’t the solution. Vote for people who will lower government spending, not increase it.
It used to be a year before you got health care
 

The Jeep Driver

On the road less traveled...
I haven’t seen any comments about how much the CEO and shareholders make
Here's one.... Tome's total compensation for 2021 was $27,620,893. Divide that by the 340,000 IBT employees in the U.S. and it's a one-time payout of $81.24 per employee. If Tome received zero and it was divided up amongst the Union employees, would that be fair to you? Or should only the part-time employees receive it?
 

Staydryitsraining

Well-Known Member
Lots of givebacks over the years but I do understand when it comes to healthcare.
Some new employees would get everything fixed, then quit.
This has been the narrative I've heard also. Don't know if it's true or how rampant it was but, everyone has always said insurance was pushed back because word got out you could get a job here and fix whatever is wrong with you and quit.
 
Most don’t deserve what they make now
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Appvol

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At my Center we have several Part Timers that never wanted to go Full Time that have been there 20+ years. So their hourly rate is pretty good since they have been there so long. Get 6 week’s vacation plus the insurance. If you are willing to stick it out and deal with the BS you eventually get a good pay rate Part Time.
 

eats packages

Deranged lunatic
funny I worked so many hours in 12-10 shifts that the state required a healthcare option just under 7 months in. So I got mine 5 months early.
 

PT Car Washer

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At my Center we have several Part Timers that never wanted to go Full Time that have been there 20+ years. So their hourly rate is pretty good since they have been there so long. Get 6 week’s vacation plus the insurance. If you are willing to stick it out and deal with the BS you eventually get a good pay rate Part Time.
7 weeks vacation and the same pay rate as the FT car washers. Actually I would make more if I worked inside.
 
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