Can you dunk? or shoot a 3 pointer?...Just askingWell I think we should then show Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, and Kobe Bryant the same contract and see how they respond. Would they say the opposite of what you said?
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Getting any substantial, definitive language on those terms is a pipedream.
Go smoke your pipe and dream about it.
My grandpa always told me dream big when I was just a lad.
LOL........ Do you work for any of the companies mentioned by the poster or do any of those jobs? "Just asking"....... BTW I can.
East coast navy
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For every one that is wondering about health care. The members that were under a company plan are going into CS expect local 177,California,washington,oregon,arizona,(not sure after this but I think I heard these states at the meeting new Mexico,Utah and Nevada). I could be wrong with those and I might be missing a state to, not sure. They will have till November 1st to look for a union plan for all 30,000 give or take members or if can't find one they will go into CS. All the members that are going into these plans do not have to pay any thing. Now for the retired. If you retire before jan 1st 2013 you have to pay $50 single and $100 family. After that and before jan 1st 2014 you will pay $100 single and $200 family. After that and before jan 1st 2015 you will pay $150 single and $300 family. For the already retired do not know that yet but I will found out and keep you posted. Hope I helped.
Cant dunk....but I can throw a 50 lb package from my back bumper and take out the bulkhead door!LOL........ Do you work for any of the companies mentioned by the poster or do any of those jobs? "Just asking"....... BTW I can.
Brownslave688
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Can you dunk? or shoot a 3 pointer?...Just askingWell I think we should then show Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, and Kobe Bryant the same contract and see how they respond. Would they say the opposite of what you said?
Yes and yes but certainly not at their level.
Bagels
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#1) It's really a 50c pay hike, since the additional dollar is negated by the loss of the 90-day raise.
#2) The pay hike is $1.50 for 90-days, 50c for the balance of the first year as well as the second, $1 for the third year, 63c for the fourth year. Based on a PTer working 20-hours per week:
- It's an extra $760 in the first year of employment, on wages of $10,920
- It's an extra $520 in the second year of employment, on wages of $11,440
- It's an extra $1040 in the third year of employment, on wages of $12,480
- It's an extra $655 in the third year of employment, on wages of $13,136
- It's nearly an extra $3000, on wages of nearly $48,000
So I'd disagree it's a joke, and say it's pretty significant. Of course, it's pocket change to the $10,000+ raise the average driver will earn in just the final year.
#3) I suspect the changes in the progression scale are being done to a) make UPS much more attractive to short-term employees and b) align/stay ahead of minimum wage
Remember, a third-year employee will be banking $12/hour alongside full no-cost benefits. 10-year employees at our nation's largest employer don't earn much more than $10/hour and they certainly don't get benefits. And FedEx Ground tops out at $14/hour -- without benefits -- after four years. So while I'm maintain the pay is pathetic for a union shop, it still makes UPS stand out to menial workers.
Could you imagine Scott Davis if UPS had a FedEX Ground-type work environment, in which PT topped out at $14/hour (no benefits, other than tuition reimbursement) after four years and had no hope for any non-management FT job? Uh-oh... clean up on aisle 4. And bring the HazMat crew.
upsman2940
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It will 5 more years of the same bs!!!! Most of us will never see retirement!!
Catatonic
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UPS Preloader
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I agree that $3,000 is nice but it is over 4 years and it is certainly Not the $1.50 increase that was implied.
Bagels
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It was never implied. The union delivered exactly what it promoted -- a $1.50 bump in the starting wage. Of course, further details aren't promoted because ... well, what good politician would do so?
Nonetheless, when I graduated high school in 2001, Kroger -- also a union shop -- was hiring at $10/hour, and offering a $1 premium for hours worked between 4PM & 8PM. Today -- nearly 12 years later (wow, am I really that old?) -- Kroger is hiring at $7.25/hour with no shift premium. That's a $2.75 drop. Meanwhile, UPS was hiring at $8.50 -- no additional raises until after one year. Today, it's been upped to $10/hour.
jumpman23
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I say vote no on 1st proposal. Commonsense tells us their 1st proposal is going to be their worst. Let them jerkoffs know were tired of playing their idiotic game. The drivers are the ones who make them their money and we are the ones who have to clean up their screwups every,every single day.
quamba 638
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This was exactly what I thought. Sounded like a win/win for UPS and the union.
Bagels
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It's a contract that will push the average FTer to about $100,000 annually, making them among the top 5% of all wage earners -- and by far the highest paid menial workers -- in the country, in addition to no-cost benefits & the retention of an actual pension.
If you're FT, quite honestly, I don't know what you expected. $50/hour and a maximum of 100 stops/250 packages (whichever was higher) per day? Might as well hope for Kate Upton to come to each center and perform lap dances ...
Quite honestly, I doubt UPS had any interest in giving a $3.90 raise in addition to absorbing all future health care increases -- most likely the threat of its largest consumers walking played its hand. I think if the Teamsters pushed harder, UPS would play hard ball. You probably got their best contract without striking, which would have devastating effects on the company and our union (hello, Eastern Airlines ... well, not that bad...)
UPS Preloader
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$1.50 minus $1.00 does not equal a $1.50 bump in the starting pay. I don't consider 90 day bump a raise. I respect your point of view, but I'll be voting no for numerous reasons.
UPS Preloader
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Bagels, you previously stated the part time pay rate was "For a union shop, it's absolutely pathetic." I don't see how you can be defending/promoting the proposed part time increase. A 50 cent net increase in the starting pay is not a substantial increase.
Moneythehardway
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Us Part timers need to unite and vote this TA down. Because truth be told, the way UPS and the union has this contract written up will divide the votes being YES from the drivers and NO from the FEW Ptimers that has been here for some time and will vote.
It'd be nice if as a *UNION* , the drivers and Part timers vote this down together as *brothers* until we are *ALL* satisfied but the sad reality is, drivers are happy and so screw what the ptimers want. So we have to stick together ptimers!.
NO to lower General Wage DECREASES from years before AFTER RECORD breaking PROFITS 2012, and 1st qtr 2013 and higher prospective earnings from online sales in the future.
No to a FOUR (4) year driving progression!!! After many of us have already been waiting over 5 years to even SNIFF a driving gig once we go to integrad we have to drive FOUR YEARS to get the same benefits the drivers of today only had to drive 2 and 3 years to get? NO NO NO!!!!
It'd be nice if as a *UNION* , the drivers and Part timers vote this down together as *brothers* until we are *ALL* satisfied but the sad reality is, drivers are happy and so screw what the ptimers want. So we have to stick together ptimers!.
NO to lower General Wage DECREASES from years before AFTER RECORD breaking PROFITS 2012, and 1st qtr 2013 and higher prospective earnings from online sales in the future.
No to a FOUR (4) year driving progression!!! After many of us have already been waiting over 5 years to even SNIFF a driving gig once we go to integrad we have to drive FOUR YEARS to get the same benefits the drivers of today only had to drive 2 and 3 years to get? NO NO NO!!!!
Bagels
Family Leave Fridays!!!
I do think that. But I also recognize that a) there's only so much money to go around; b) the drivers - once again - got most of it; and c) PT compensation far exceeds that of other comparable menial jobs.
UPS Preloader
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I can accept that, but it's still a NO vote for me.
browned out
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If the Teamsters control the health care thru UPS contribuitons, Will freeloaders who want union benefits but not union dues be denied the benefit of teamster health care? I hope so. They still have the right to work for UPS and get a " no dues.. no benefits for you"
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