So let’s see the language.
Tentative agreement
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Jackburton
Gone Fish'n
542thruNthru
Well-Known Member
Ssshhh it's a secret till the union can sit down and tell everyone to push for a YES vote.
specter208
Well-Known Member
They should have created dedicated irreg driver teams in 24 foot vans instead of hybrids.
dogs.bite.me
Well-Known Member
What I've seen isn't good..... What they just put out, isn't good....
Why you trying to sell it so hard?
IzzyTheNose
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We've heard all this nonsense about additional full-time jobs opening up. I like the idea of hybrid drivers, because it gives part-timers another possible avenue to go full-time (not every combo is going to want to drive, even if it's to 'finish' a route), but I don't like that they would be getting paid less.
On the other hand, if they're merely covering the back-end of a full-time driver's route once he's reached his 9.5, the cleanup finishing a route, would be far easier than starting one. So maybe there's some give and take?
A lot of the complaining I'm hearing about hybrid drivers, is coming from current drivers who don't want to lose all that OT. But these are the same drivers that moan about how long they're on the road, and how they're treated as 'slaves', but when you ask why they don't file for 9.5 violations, they backpedal. So...?
If the additional feeder positions that open mean more current drivers moving into those spots, and the need for new drivers to replace those lost to feeder, in addition to the hybrid drivers openings, can't say I'm too salty on this one. That's obviously only the case if we don't lose anything.
Better start pay for new hires, no changes to healthcare, pension increase, more full-time positions (possibly) opening across the board. $0.83 a year for the length of the contract (no split raises). Back to a 3 year progression for top pay for full-time positions.
I mean, unless I've missed something, this isn't terrible. I wasn't expecting perfect, but this was a lot better than I thought we might get.
On the other hand, if they're merely covering the back-end of a full-time driver's route once he's reached his 9.5, the cleanup finishing a route, would be far easier than starting one. So maybe there's some give and take?
A lot of the complaining I'm hearing about hybrid drivers, is coming from current drivers who don't want to lose all that OT. But these are the same drivers that moan about how long they're on the road, and how they're treated as 'slaves', but when you ask why they don't file for 9.5 violations, they backpedal. So...?
If the additional feeder positions that open mean more current drivers moving into those spots, and the need for new drivers to replace those lost to feeder, in addition to the hybrid drivers openings, can't say I'm too salty on this one. That's obviously only the case if we don't lose anything.
Better start pay for new hires, no changes to healthcare, pension increase, more full-time positions (possibly) opening across the board. $0.83 a year for the length of the contract (no split raises). Back to a 3 year progression for top pay for full-time positions.
I mean, unless I've missed something, this isn't terrible. I wasn't expecting perfect, but this was a lot better than I thought we might get.
dogs.bite.me
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Why is it a competition of where we could go.
We're here, making 36/hr. Company raises rates but nearly 6 prevent YEARLY and only want to give us a 2 percent raise OVER 5 YEARS. We shouldn't settle because we already get paid well.
Hybrid drivers... Meh, haven't made up my mind yet. Need to see the language.
But rolling out these numbers like they are good numbers, like this is "the best contract to date" is a steaming pile of crap that the membership can see through.
Jackburton
Gone Fish'n
Hybrid drivers is just a way to create another divide down the line. Membership will fight amongst themselves when the next contract comes around.
542thruNthru
Well-Known Member
I don't see you're idea of finishing a drivers route happening for a few reasons.
1. If you're working preload no one is going to want to leave and come back 7 or 8 hours later for just an hour or 2 of work
2. UPS likes to cut routes. That will be done in the morning and what's left over will be given to the 22.4 drivers.
More then likely I see hybrid drivers working 2 or 3 hours in the preload then driving 5-8 hours right after. Youll be a FT driver and be paid less.
IzzyTheNose
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I don't think anyone is trying to sell this as the best contract to date, but if that is angle that's trying to be used, it's not exactly wrong, as I expected us to lose a hell of a lot more. But that's also not saying much, either, as the last 2 contracts have been pretty awful.
I do agree that the raises could have/should have been higher. But I can live with it. I dunno. I honestly thought I was going to be far more unhappy. Can't say that I am at this point.
Jackburton
Gone Fish'n
What issues did this new contract address for you personally? I personally see nothing gained as a FT driver that worked 70 hours last peak and continue to work over 9.5 everyday while filing.
dogs.bite.me
Well-Known Member
From the upsrising update
“I am confident that once the membership has reviewed and understood the changes, they will
see that this agreement is among the very best ever negotiated for UPS members,” said Denis
Taylor, co-chairman of the Teamsters UPS National Negotiating committee.
542thruNthru
Well-Known Member
You know what...
I'd love to hear what @TearsInRain And @FrigidFTSup think of these hybrid drivers.
Seriously Id like your honest opinion on how they'd be used.
I'd love to hear what @TearsInRain And @FrigidFTSup think of these hybrid drivers.
Seriously Id like your honest opinion on how they'd be used.
Jackburton
Gone Fish'n
Compete trash.
Jackburton
Gone Fish'n
Legitimate response, they’ll be used just like FT drivers are now, just paid less. Give me one good reason they would work these guys on preload vs just tossing them out on route like you or I?
542thruNthru
Well-Known Member
No I agree. Unless the language states they have to work inside for a certain amount of hours. Even then we all know how that will turn out.
I'm curious about IEs thoughts though. I'm sure they love and hate it. Knowing operations will use them in ways they never thought of.
IzzyTheNose
Well-Known Member
Hmm, I guess it all depends how they've agreed to use them? I honestly don't know enough about it, just what I've heard from other drivers.
Jackburton
Gone Fish'n
Until UPS recognizes $’s instead of hours, it will be status quo. This is just the first step in a transition to that, with the ultimate goal to have everyone as a hybrid.
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
Why in the hell would we LOSE anything?
DirtySouth
Well-Known Member
The company asked (and routinely asks) for year round RTDs/TCDs in each supplement.
Who knew we'd just give it to them in the Master?
