Tentative agreement

[Jackburton]

Hmm, I guess it all depends how they've agreed to use them? I honestly don't know enough about it, just what I've heard from other drivers.

Agreeing and doing are two different things. UPS agreed to a lot of things in the past contract, yet blatently disregards it.

What repercussion will UPS face if they simply use these guys as low paid ground drivers for the next 5 years?

The answer, none until next contract.

 

[Brownslave688]

Legitimate response, they’ll be used just like FT drivers are now, just paid less. Give me one good reason they would work these guys on preload vs just tossing them out on route like you or I?

The language has to include a stipulation like drive for longer than 4 hours any weekday and receive full scale for the full day. Also x amount of days doing that in a year should create a regular ft driver job.

 

[Brownslave688]

Legitimate response, they’ll be used just like FT drivers are now, just paid less. Give me one good reason they would work these guys on preload vs just tossing them out on route like you or I?

Calling them "hybrids" is an insult to our intelligence also.

They are a new tier of package car driver that makes less than current drivers.

 

[542thruNthru]

Until UPS recognizes $’s instead of hours, it will be status quo. This is just the first step in a transition to that, with the ultimate goal to have everyone as a hybrid.

You're right and to be honest I didn't think about that.

 

[Jackburton]

The company asked (and routinely asks) for year round RTDs/TCDs in each supplement.

Who knew we'd just give it to them in the Master?

We have part time cover drivers who are suppose to be used for vacations and days off coverage for FT employees. The company works these guys just enough to avoid the consecutive work day clause to open a FT driver slot.

 

[DirtySouth]

I don't see you're idea of finishing a drivers route happening for a few reasons.
1. If you're working preload no one is going to want to leave and come back 7 or 8 hours later for just an hour or 2 of work

2. UPS likes to cut routes. That will be done in the morning and what's left over will be given to the 22.4 drivers.

More then likely I see hybrid drivers working 2 or 3 hours in the preload then driving 5-8 hours right after. Youll be a FT driver and be paid less.

To be honest, I don't have an issue with the concept as long as hybrid drivers are paid regular ground rate as soon as they step in a package car and have a regular schedule with at least one weekend day off included in a two day consecutive weekend. This would be a "hybrid" driver; what we have is two tier package car. If the company wants flexibility with their daily driver staffing, then they need be willing to pay for it.

But that's not the case and IBT is going to let the company deliver ground at a cheaper rate and will want more and more "hybrid" drivers in the next contract if we let this get voted through.

 

[Brownslave688]

We've heard all this nonsense about additional full-time jobs opening up. I like the idea of hybrid drivers, because it gives part-timers another possible avenue to go full-time (not every combo is going to want to drive, even if it's to 'finish' a route), but I don't like that they would be getting paid less.

On the other hand, if they're merely covering the back-end of a full-time driver's route once he's reached his 9.5, the cleanup finishing a route, would be far easier than starting one. So maybe there's some give and take?

A lot of the complaining I'm hearing about hybrid drivers, is coming from current drivers who don't want to lose all that OT. But these are the same drivers that moan about how long they're on the road, and how they're treated as 'slaves', but when you ask why they don't file for 9.5 violations, they backpedal. So...?

If the additional feeder positions that open mean more current drivers moving into those spots, and the need for new drivers to replace those lost to feeder, in addition to the hybrid drivers openings, can't say I'm too salty on this one. That's obviously only the case if we don't lose anything.

Better start pay for new hires, no changes to healthcare, pension increase, more full-time positions (possibly) opening across the board. $0.83 a year for the length of the contract (no split raises). Back to a 3 year progression for top pay for full-time positions.

I mean, unless I've missed something, this isn't terrible. I wasn't expecting perfect, but this was a lot better than I thought we might get.

You're missing the point. This has nothing to do with losing OT. I'll gladly give up every second of OT I make in a year.

But give the work to another full time driver not some lower tiered driver that puts a target on all current drivers backs.

 

[35years]

I know it’s not the UPS way, to be happy and all for your fellow members or coworkers, but look deep down inside. Your union brothers and sisters are going to make more money they’re not gonna start out making 11 and 1025 an hour. This was the number one proposal. They’ve come up with an answer. It’s easy to get on the Hate Train, but it’s a lot easier To vote your conscience.

So I am supposed to "follow my conscience" by screwing over the current long term Part Timers who will have to wait even more years to get a full scale driving job, so a collage kid working here for 3 months can make $2 an hour more this summer?

Sorry, but if I follow my conscience I can't justify doing that.

I suspect it was deemed "the number one proposal" because the Union leadership had been told, or just realized that UPS had to raise the starting wage anyway. An easy victory to claim. I know the leadership was pushing that line; "we need a better starting wage" early in the process here. It was not coming from members at the meetings.

People were predicting this last year on Brown Cafe.

 

[Feederquacker]

I'm confused. I'm a full time driver, hit my 1 year a couple months ago. I only make 19.50..... so new guys in this new position will make more then I do?!

No. You will immediately get a raise to whatever progression rate you should be at under the new agreement.

 

[Tablespoon]

I was told by our Shop Steward that supposedly progression for full-time drivers was was going to be bumped down to 2 years. Other people on here have mentioned three years so has anybody else heard anything specific?

 

[kramer]

what if im in the middle of qualifying right now? will i be locked into the old rate or new rate since i havent made my seniority

 

[35years]

Loved this part...
“I realize that the membership is anxious to see the improvements, but as I explained at the beginning of this process, the specifics must be held until the Supplements have been settled and the entire proposed contract has been reviewed by the two-person committee. There will be ample time for the members to review and understand the proposed agreement prior to voting."

Before we could not see the national wording because they were still negotiating. Now that the national wording is set, we have to wait until the Supplements are worked out? The national wording will not change if we see it now.

Brown out.

 

[35years]

What I've seen isn't good..... What they just put out, isn't good....

Why you trying to sell it so hard?

That's his job.

Why do you think he started posting on Brown Cafe?

 

[silenze]

My on road supervisor already knew about this before it was posted. Was talking it up today just like @Tony Q .
Throw this trash right in the can.

 

[bowhnterdon]

It is official. The Teamsters Union has died...

 

[bowhnterdon]

You did it. You absolutely kicked the Teamsters in the teeth. DT and Junior went down in the 1st round with a clean knockout. So glad I am retiring soon. The end of top rate in delivery is upon us. Feeders.. You are next

 

[Frankie's Friend]

Never said the part-timers weren't to blame (at least to an extent, what with the chicken or the egg problem with part-time representation). Thing is that now a lot of part-timers will see what is in all actuality a crappy deal that sounds good in the short-term, and if they do vote (again, most won't), they'll probably vote yes. At the very least you can expect those at $10.35 unskilled and $11.00 skilled to jump on a $2.00 raise like it means something in the long run. And guess what, they won't give two hoots about how it will affect full-timers or even themselves in the long run. And that's because there hasn't been a brotherhood between the part-timers and the full-timers ever since the pay rates between the two diverged 30+ years ago.

At the end of the day it's not about who sold the part-timers out (whether it be the union or the company), or even if they were "sold out" at all. A brotherhood is supposed to fight for each other.

At some point the full-timers should have bent down and offered a helping hand to the part-timers, but that hasn't happened in the past how many contracts? So let's see how this plays out now that you have easily bought part-timers to vote against. Because you better believe that the union and the company are going to spin this to get part-timers to vote yes, and remember, they outnumber the full-timers greatly. So of all the times full-timers have been blaming part-timers for their lot due to them not voting, this is really the time they'd better pray that they don't vote.

Where's the disconnect?
You say the ft dissed the pt time for years.

Did they keep them from voting and how did they do that seeing that ft is overwhelmingly less in percentages than pt workers?

Maybe those are local issues, not full time oppression.

 

[Frankie's Friend]

What don't you understand about the word "MAJORITY"???

Part time employees have been the "MAJORITY"....."for years", so yes they are absolutely to blame and it's not funny.

What I find "funny" is your assertion that part time employees would "jump on" these proposed 22.4 hybrid driver jobs?

Why would that be, when they are passing on full time driver jobs at an unprecedented rate.
Took me 8 years, 32 years ago to get a full time driving gig, while those interested now are going in as little as a year?

Most people will always vote in favor of their interests, if they choose to vote....

....so those tasked to set the terms will always cater to the voting base.

Will the UPS part timers ever wake up, or will they continue to claim that they were "sold out"?

Ttuth.
I see this guy is painting the ft as selfish becuz the pt wont freaking vote.
Give us a break. We hear this every 5 yrs now.

 

[Frankie's Friend]

That would have the same or higher top out benefits etc? If that’s true then why even risk a ty contract why not go and leave?

Because some of us are vested and have invested YEARS of our lives building this business to the demise of our joints and backs.

Run along now...
I believe your conference call is starting soon in your air conditioned office.

 

[Frankie's Friend]

I get that but this job is what you make it. If you run like a rabbit dog then yea your body will break. If you fight then then ehhh it’s doable. I barely get 3-4hrs of Ot a week bc I work “safe” and I don’t work production so just take it one box at a time. It’s a marathon not a sprint. Again I get whatbyour saying but saying you will quit is kinda premature bc bi matter where you go especially another union job you are in the same boat..

Yeah, we are now LTL.
Running isn't everything dude. Wake up.