Tentative agreement

[Frankie's Friend]

That’s one of the great things about living in America. You can have your own opinions.

Yeah like Rob A did last time during the cba debacle?

Having an opinion is one thing surviving it is something else.

 

[Frankie's Friend]

Only time will tell. You can keep an open mind or you can go off all half cocked. Either way, it is what it is.

"Hybrid" package car drivers.

Please tell us how that helps the package car classification. We will wait for your response.


Come on Tony. That alone is like trying to sell hair straightener in china...
In other words we don't need it.

 

[DELACROIX]

In for 30 pages of overreactions....

True..But Justified.

This Contract will not be settled till the SUPPLEMENTS are submitted to vote. It's RETRO check time boys and girls. The improvements in the Pension and Health and Welfare claim meant monetary raises in both, how that will show in all our separate pension and H/W benefit packages, we shall see.

Raises cause me to yawn, same old, same old. The splits from last two gone (fair)

When we get the final language with the Master and Supplements, I will decide. The devil is in the details.

The 93 percent will have the final say so, unless the International wants us storming the bastille.

 

[TearsInRain]

You know what...
I'd love to hear what @TearsInRain And @FrigidFTSup think of these hybrid drivers.

Seriously Id like your honest opinion on how they'd be used.

so the best savings we'd get out of them is replacing FSP entirely on saturday, + maybe squeezing out an FSP route mon-fri (not a real route, but those frankenstein desperation routes to cover something sometimes)

here's the way i'd plan it:

• say your Total Service Provider number on Saturday is 10 people (7 FSP + 3 PSP)
• for that center i'd plan 10 of these hybrid drivers; the PSP's would be given a chance to bid on these positions or an inside job, otherwise see ya
• on saturday these people would drive a full day
• during the week they would work preload/LS and supplement pickups, air, or bulk

the only complicated part would be figuring out the guarantee bit on saturday; if you could work them straight-time on saturday, then EZ PZ you divvy the work up amongst all the people and they go work 6 hours and have a great day

if you have to work them a guarantee, you may have to either retain some PT bid air or work some of them on the preload that day

from a planning/ops perspective, these are great

THAT SAID, the company and the teamsters will throw in something to it up for everyone, guaranteed

 

[TearsInRain]

btw about them potentially using the drivers full time mon-fri, a center would have to be pretty dumb to do this
these hybrid drivers are not going to be that productive, they'd have tons of O/A, nuke the centers SPORH and NDPPH for the week, and piss off their BA and labor manager to no end

sure maybe it would cost a bit less, but literally nobody is looking at cost under the region level

 

[TearsInRain]

Yeah, we are now LTL.
Running isn't everything dude. Wake up. View attachment 198528

that is atrocious, never should have even been picked up, how can that even be handled safely before it makes it to you....

 

[Chester]

Yeah, we are now LTL.
Running isn't everything dude. Wake up. View attachment 198528

You have to be the most miserable person on the planet. Are you ever happy? Feel bad for you.

 

[Chester]

btw about them potentially using the drivers full time mon-fri, a center would have to be pretty dumb to do this
these hybrid drivers are not going to be that productive, they'd have tons of O/A, nuke the centers SPORH and NDPPH for the week, and piss off their BA and labor manager to no end

sure maybe it would cost a bit less, but literally nobody is looking at cost under the region level

And from a safety standpoint with the preloaders who will sleep maybe 4 hours and then drive after their shift.

 

[Chester]

Where are they going to find 2000 feeder drivers right now? I think that was BS just thrown in for votes, UPS can just say we can’t find any qualified drivers.

 

[bowhnterdon]

And from a safety standpoint with the preloaders who will sleep maybe 4 hours and then drive after their shift.

The have those already. 3 in my building. Preload then air, original jobs from 2000

 

[Chester]

The have those already. 3 in my building. Preload then air, original jobs from 2000

I used to work preload and drive a full day years ago as a cover driver, that isn’t allowed anymore.

 

[wide load]

A lot of the complaining I'm hearing about hybrid drivers, is coming from current drivers who don't want to lose all that OT. But these are the same drivers that moan about how long they're on the road, and how they're treated as 'slaves', but when you ask why they don't file for 9.5 violations, they backpedal. So...

You couldn’t be more wrong. It’s not about losing OT, or 9.5. ITS ABOUT DOING A PREMIUM PAY JOB FOR A LOT LESS MONEY!

 

[Frankie's Friend]

You have to be the most miserable person on the planet. Are you ever happy? Feel bad for you.

Yeah dude, dealing with spineless employees like you wears me out.

 

[Chester]

Yeah dude, dealing with spineless employees like you wears me out.

Change your name to Mr Misery

 

[Frankie's Friend]

I don't think anyone is trying to sell this as the best contract to date, but if that is angle that's trying to be used, it's not exactly wrong, as I expected us to lose a hell of a lot more. But that's also not saying much, either, as the last 2 contracts have been pretty awful.

I do agree that the raises could have/should have been higher. But I can live with it. I dunno. I honestly thought I was going to be far more unhappy. Can't say that I am at this point.

Pretty sad we have this perspective isn't it?

 

[PASinterference]

And from a safety standpoint with the preloaders who will sleep maybe 4 hours and then drive after their shift.

Yeah and everybody knows ups is concerned about safety. Wouldn't surprise me if they lobby the govt for an 80 hr work week. You know, like just in case we have any surprises during peak. Like it happening around Christmas again.

 

[Frankie's Friend]

Change your name to Mr Misery

Dont change yours. The company would have to buy you all new name tags for your white shirt. You know they aren't spending money right now.

 

[Chester]

Yeah and everybody knows ups is concerned about safety. Wouldn't surprise me if they lobby the govt for an 80 hr work week. You know, like just in case we have any surprises during peak. Like it happening around Christmas again.

20 hours of double time! Sign me up for that

 

[Chester]

Dont change yours. The company would have to buy you all new name tags for your white shirt. You know they aren't spending money right now.

Hey man it’s Friday cheer up, you have a great day and weekend.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

Now....

It's all up to the members.