Tentative agreement

[over9five]

Denis T asked me to post this:

#bestcontractever

 

[Brownslave688]

Veterans of the 1997 strike will remember that UPS made us pay for "winning" that strike. layoffs , not adding as many FT jobs as they were supposed to , and not honoring their side of the agreement every chance they got.

The only reason they changed was because they had to because the economy picked up so much they had no choice.

Many people including myself believed that we really did not win that strike because UPS made sure we paid for it. Now I am going to have to change my mind if this contract goes through. We did win the 97 strike if you look at the big picture.

20 years later it paid off. UPS did not want to risk a repeat of potential strike. Also I think they they monitored sites like this and listened to employees in the break rooms and workplace and realized that workers were fed up and willing to strike.

Thank you.

Wtf are you talking about?


Ups gave in on this contract because they didn't want a strike?


Where did they give at?

The teamsters got taken to the woodshed on this one.

 

[Total package]

The IBT timing of electronic voting coinciding with a contract seemingly catered for part timers is suspicious. Even a complete slacker can vote now in 30 seconds

 

[RealPerson]

Exactly...
UPS has had Record Profits
Huge Tax Break
Many other jobs paying $12-$15 already.
To say UPS will start pay at $15 in 2022 is a JOKE.
$.83 a Year -- Joke

These new hires load your Trucks, I would think everyone would want better quality workers. My center, it is like ups rides around and begs people to come for a tour.

Someone mentioned Health staying the same .... Where did you see that? I see where it was mentioned that UPS is giving the Pension and Health people a sizable increase... Nothing to the fact that our insurance will stay the same or even go back to FREE.

 

[Brownslave688]

Exactly...
UPS has had Record Profits
Huge Tax Break
Many other jobs paying $12-$15 already.
To say UPS will start pay at $15 in 2022 is a JOKE.
$.83 a Year -- Joke

These new hires load your Trucks, I would think everyone would want better quality workers. My center, it is like ups rides around and begs people to come for a tour.

Someone mentioned Health staying the same .... Where did you see that? I see where it was mentioned that UPS is giving the Pension and Health people a sizable increase... Nothing to the fact that our insurance will stay the same or even go back to FREE.

Well considering teamcare has a pretty substantial surplus it should have no problem staying the same.

 

[mikejonesjr]

The IBT timing of electronic voting coinciding with a contract seemingly catered for part timers is suspicious. Even a complete slacker can vote now in 30 seconds

PTers get ed in this contract. The only ones who benefit the most are the ones who are new hires now and who are hired in 2023.

 

[542thruNthru]

Veterans of the 1997 strike will remember that UPS made us pay for "winning" that strike. layoffs , not adding as many FT jobs as they were supposed to , and not honoring their side of the agreement every chance they got.

The only reason they changed was because they had to because the economy picked up so much they had no choice.

Many people including myself believed that we really did not win that strike because UPS made sure we paid for it. Now I am going to have to change my mind if this contract goes through. We did win the 97 strike if you look at the big picture.

20 years later it paid off. UPS did not want to risk a repeat of potential strike. Also I think they they monitored sites like this and listened to employees in the break rooms and workplace and realized that workers were fed up and willing to strike.

Thank you.

Please refrain from giving your opinion on this contract. Your lack of knowledge is only going to hurt people here for real information.

 

[olroadbeech]

Exactly...
UPS has had Record Profits
Huge Tax Break
Many other jobs paying $12-$15 already.
To say UPS will start pay at $15 in 2022 is a JOKE.
$.83 a Year -- Joke

These new hires load your Trucks, I would think everyone would want better quality workers. My center, it is like ups rides around and begs people to come for a tour.

Someone mentioned Health staying the same .... Where did you see that? I see where it was mentioned that UPS is giving the Pension and Health people a sizable increase... Nothing to the fact that our insurance will stay the same or even go back to FREE.

I agree with the starting wages part. Mcdonalds in my town starts you off at 12 bucks an hour. What did you want? Double the starting wage for unskilled workers? If wages for this group got too high UPS would just replace them with robots and mechanization which they are slowly doing anyway. In the future there will be no warehouse workers anyway.

The thing about starting out with UPS was the opportunity for promotion and high paying jobs. I know many only work here for college or the health benefits but the carrot of the 80-125k job is held out in front of you as a
motivating factor.

This is only a tentative agreement. You can vote no and tell the Teamsters to do better. We haven't seen all the details. All I am trying to say is that the 1997 strike may be a factor. In 1997 the first proposals by the company was not only a joke but an insult. I kept every piece of propaganda that the company handed out before and during that strike.

 

[llamainmypocket]

I'll be voting no. Not enough part time wage increase. My building is already at 15 to start which will put me at 15-15.75 by my fith year.

 

[Total package]

I'm not saying it's great for PT either. But I think IBT/UPS is counting on them to push it through. Probably a lot of newer hires will see that starting bump and vote Yes. Hopefully not enough

 

[bbsam]

Good lord that's even worse than I imagined.


If nothing else I'm at the IBT for not calling it what it is. They just agreed to a two tiered driver pay scale.


50%!!!!!!!!

I'm livid.

Give Dave credit. He insisted it was coming.

 

[Superteeth2478]

Where's the disconnect?
You say the ft dissed the pt time for years.

Did they keep them from voting and how did they do that seeing that ft is overwhelmingly less in percentages than pt workers?

Maybe those are local issues, not full time oppression.

You don't seem to understand the meaning of a "brotherhood", do you? For example, if your brother was about to be given, say, a ty deal on a car sale, and you were there to prevent him from taking the ty deal, you would step in as his brother and keep him from doing it, right? So on the flip side, part-timers keep getting crappy contracts reamed up their backsides, so as a brother to these part-timers, shouldn't you vote down contracts that don't take care of them, even if the same way it was your brother's fault he didn't get educated on how car sales work and it's your part-timer brothers' faults that they didn't vote, it's still part of being a brother to them to help them out?

No one said full-timers were "oppressing" the part-timers, but they are complicit in it by voting through contracts that don't take care of them. And this is the end result, a contract where the tables could very well be turned against the full-timers in favor of the historically overlooked part-timers.

 

[Brownslave688]

Give Dave credit. He insisted it was coming.

I figured it was coming out next recession. Or maybe just a pay freeze or even cut for full timers.


As terrible as I know the IBT is I never thought they'd sell us out on this level in a year when everything looked to be in our favor.

 

[Brownslave688]

You don't seem to understand the meaning of a "brotherhood", do you? For example, if your brother was about to be given, say, a ty deal on a car sale, and you were there to prevent him from taking the ty deal, you would step in as his brother and keep him from doing it, right? So on the flip side, part-timers keep getting crappy contracts reamed up their backsides, so as a brother to these part-timers, shouldn't you vote down contracts that don't take care of them, even if the same way it was your brother's fault he didn't get educated on how car sales work and it's your part-timer brothers' faults that they didn't vote, it's still part of being a brother to them to help them out?

No one said full-timers were "oppressing" the part-timers, but they are complicit in it by voting through contracts that don't take care of them. And this is the end result, a contract where the tables could very well be turned against the full-timers in favor of the historically overlooked part-timers.

But this isn't a very good deal for part timers either.


This is a decent deal for people that will start at ups a few years from now.


And here's what is gonna happen. The company isn't even hiding it either. They are gonna automate the out of stuff over the next 5 years and reduce the PT workforce.

 

[BrownFlush]

Definition of hybrid
1: an offspring of two animals or plants of different races (see 3race 3a), breeds, varieties, species, or genera

• a hybrid of two roses

2: a person whose background is a blend of two diverse cultures or traditions

Read-- Vote No -- Strike -- Its real simple brothers.

 

[Superteeth2478]

But this isn't a very good deal for part timers either.


This is a decent deal for people that will start at ups a few years from now.


And here's what is gonna happen. The company isn't even hiding it either. They are gonna automate the out of stuff over the next 5 years and reduce the PT workforce.

I know it's not. But the current new hires at $11.00 skilled will see an immediate bump to $13.00 and see it as a victory. That's who the company is counting on to vote the contract in.

 

[Superteeth2478]

Definition of hybrid
1: an offspring of two animals or plants of different races (see 3race 3a), breeds, varieties, species, or genera

• a hybrid of two roses

2: a person whose background is a blend of two diverse cultures or traditions

Read-- Vote No -- Strike -- Its real simple brothers.

You forgot the part where the gonad-less Hoffa calls the workers back from the strike citing "economic difficulties for the company".

 

[Brownslave688]

I know it's not. But the current new hires at $11.00 skilled will see an immediate bump to $13.00 and see it as a victory. That's who the company is counting on to vote the contract in.

Good luck. I'll bet historically 2-3 year and under part timers vote at an abysmal rate.

Also most of your big city hubs with the highest number of employees are already over $13.

 

[SolidWoodPanel]

You forgot the part where the gonad-less Hoffa calls the workers back from the strike citing "economic difficulties for the company".

Castration! Double Castration!

 

[Jackburton]

Denis T asked me to post this:

#bestcontractever

The guys at my hub asked me to post this #gobacktothetable