Tentative contract

[R1wonder]

Maybe. There may be language describing a formula based on years in and current wage vs getting the $2.75 or $21 or more. I'd wait until it all comes out before telling people they're getting a $7+ raise next week.

I’m still not convinced it’s gonna be 2.75 and then another 7.50 the next 4 years … kinda sounds to me like 750 total . Always that weird wording

 

[mikejonesjr]

I am trust me

Just kind of annoying how it’s worked. I started at $8.50 an hour in 2010. Worked through the years to $10 an hour, then they raised starting wage to $10 when I got it. Worked more years up to $15, walk in one day and they announce starting wage now $15. Now the same thing is happening at $21.

It’s just a downer because originally I thought I was being bumped to $21 PLUS that $2.75 raise, but again it sounds like I’m just being matched with the new hires

Minus the extra “up to “1.50”.. does the $2.75 not get you over $21?? After 13 years I’d think you’d have been at that at least

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

I’m still not convinced it’s gonna be 2.75 and then another 7.50 the next 4 years … kinda sounds to me like 750 total . Always that weird wording

It's definitely $7 50 total.

 

[JL 0513]

They give you a good quality beer at the end.
Here is what I was told

23-2.75
24-1.00
25-.75
26-.75
27-2.25

That spread doesn't make too much sense. I have to imagine the next 4 years would be evened out more. 75¢ in '26 then $2.25 in '27?

The biggest thing we can hope for is for inflation to flatten out otherwise what looks like a good 5 year increase may turn out to be crap with inadequate COLA increases. So far this year, it's trending to normalcy due to dramatic Fed rate increases.

 

[Pullman Brown]

That spread doesn't make too much sense. I have to imagine the next 4 years would be evened out more. 75¢ in '26 then $2.25 in '27?

The biggest thing we can hope for is for inflation to flatten out otherwise what looks like a good 5 year increase may turn out to be crap with inadequate COLA increases. So far this year, it's trending to normalcy due to dramatic Fed rate increases.

We will see.

 

[GodlikeRage]

So if understand correctly, starting rate is now $21 and all employees get a $2.75 raise. BUT if you are currently under $21 now, you don’t get bumped to $21 AND get the $2.75 raise…

So me at $18, my $2.75 will bring me to $20.75, then I’ll get increased to $21 and that’s it?

If so, I’m voting no

No you will be bumped to $21, everyone will.

 

[HarryWarden]

Minus the extra “up to “1.50”.. does the $2.75 not get you over $21?? After 13 years I’d think you’d have been at that at least

Nope, at $18. So sounds like the $2.75 will get me to $20.75 and they will bump it to $21


“
Wage Increases: All current UPS Teamsters, both full-time and part-time, will get $7.50 in raises over the life of the contract, including $2.75 on August 1.

Current part-timers: All current part-timers will be paid at least $21 an hour immediately—and make a minimum of $25.75 by the end of the contract.”

Full UPS Teamsters Tentative National Agreement Now Available

UPS walked away from the bargaining table on July 5 after telling our union, “We have nothing more to give you.” On July 25, the company returned to the table and agreed to a tentative agreement that forces the company to deliver record wage increases on top of all the improvements we had...

www.upsteamstersunited.org

 

[mikejonesjr]

Nope, at $18. So sounds like the $2.75 will get me to $20.75 and they will bump it to $21


“
Wage Increases: All current UPS Teamsters, both full-time and part-time, will get $7.50 in raises over the life of the contract, including $2.75 on August 1.

Current part-timers: All current part-timers will be paid at least $21 an hour immediately—and make a minimum of $25.75 by the end of the contract.”

Full UPS Teamsters Tentative National Agreement Now Available

UPS walked away from the bargaining table on July 5 after telling our union, “We have nothing more to give you.” On July 25, the company returned to the table and agreed to a tentative agreement that forces the company to deliver record wage increases on top of all the improvements we had...

www.upsteamstersunited.org

Ya those under $21 already definitely got shafted. I just am surprised your rate is only $18 after that many years. But yep you will be making the same as a new hire again minus a dollar or so… so much for rewarding existing part timers. At this point the whole seniority part time pay difference is becoming a thing of the past. If they couldn’t reward long term part timers now when that was half of the campaign it just isn’t ever gunna happen lol

 

[Thebrownblob]

Ya those under $21 already definitely got shafted. I just am surprised your rate is only $18 after that many years. But yep you will be making the same as a new hire again minus a dollar or so… so much for rewarding existing part timers. At this point the whole seniority part time pay difference is becoming a thing of the past. If they couldn’t reward long term part timers now when that was half of the campaign it just isn’t ever gunna happen lol

It’s interesting that union members actually want people to make different rates for part time.
For example, as a full-time package car driver of almost 24 years a 4 year package car driver makes the same amount as me as they should.
Probably would’ve been better to have a Progression for part time as well to top rate.
Either way a six dollar bump and starting pay across the country is significant in the labor movement.

 

[mikejonesjr]

It used to be a pter with 10 years seniority was making $8-$10 dollars more than a new hire. Now it’s just some change being the difference between them say $21 and $22. Astonishing considering we were supposedly on the verge of a strike to demand fair pay for our long time part timers. Oh and they front load the $2.75 raise since they know it won’t apply to 85% of pters since the new minimum rate with override that anyway. It’s Basically a new starting pay of $21 for everyone under 10 years and then $4-5$ over the contract. But it sounds cooler to say “Huge 7.50 wage increase for everyone, historic.” Eh. $25.75 today is equal to $20 an hour in 2015 btw, and we have to work til 2028 to get that rate now. It got way overblown

 

[HarryWarden]

Ya those under $21 already definitely got shafted. I just am surprised your rate is only $18 after that many years. But yep you will be making the same as a new hire again minus a dollar or so… so much for rewarding existing part timers. At this point the whole seniority part time pay difference is becoming a thing of the past. If they couldn’t reward long term part timers now when that was half of the campaign it just isn’t ever gunna happen lol

Yeah, I started at $8.50 an hour in 2010 so I had a very long climb, but every raise I got they matched it for new hires

Starting wage was also $8.50 in 1980 which was about $33 an hour after inflation, my $8.50 was about $11

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

Ya those under $21 already definitely got shafted. I just am surprised your rate is only $18 after that many years. But yep you will be making the same as a new hire again minus a dollar or so… so much for rewarding existing part timers. At this point the whole seniority part time pay difference is becoming a thing of the past. If they couldn’t reward long term part timers now when that was half of the campaign it just isn’t ever gunna happen lol

Why is it sometimes the argument is "same job deserves same pay" and other times it's "I've been here longer I deserve more" depending on the day?

 

[mikejonesjr]

It’s interesting that union members actually want people to make different rates for part time.
For example, as a full-time package car driver I’ve almost 24 years a four year package car driver makes the same amount.
Probably would’ve been better to have a Progression for part time as well to top rate.
Either way a six dollar bump and starting pay across the country is significant in the labor movement.

That’s fair but it’s just always been that way and to be fair the campaign was reward long term part timers. And a 10 year pter gets “rewarded” like a dollar more than a new hire. Also a top rate is a significant jump. Vs some pters feel like they are in an endless loop of staying just barely above what new hires make with every new contract that focuses on the new start rate

 

[MIX_MASTER_ICE]

Why is it sometimes the argument is "same job deserves same pay" and other times it's "I've been here longer I deserve more" depending on the day?

I know was in favor of creating a 4 year progression for PT, much like the FT work under. The proposal I saw somewhere in one of these threads was PT start at $20, then top out at $30. You already been here long enough to be making over $30, you just get your annual raise. Then your annual raises apply after that, of course, once your progression is completed.. UPS started PT at $8-$8.50 for what, 25 years or longer? No progression, just an annual raise, which for a while was only half in August and half later on in February. Those split raises were atrocious! I've never quite understood why the PT worker gets bent over so hard. And certainly not saying the PT wage should be equal to the FT wage, but I thought that implementing a progression to top pay of $30/hour was something that should have been done during this contract. If not now, then certainly not likely to ever happen.

 

[R1wonder]

Yeah, I started at $8.50 an hour in 2010 so I had a very long climb, but every raise I got they matched it for new hires

Starting wage was also $8.50 in 1980 which was about $33 an hour after inflation, my $8.50 was about $11

I started at 8.50 in 2004, it’s wild how it was 8.50 for so long . I get these part timers are mad. But it’s just the way it is unfortunately. The world has changed . I can guarantee you that this problem is happening at every job in the world . My friend has a class b for a dump truck and stone thrower machine . He started under 20, 3 years later is only at 21. And guys are starting making the same as him.

 

[R1wonder]

That’s fair but it’s just always been that way and to be fair the campaign was reward long term part timers. And a 10 year pter gets “rewarded” like a dollar more than a new hire. Also a top rate is a significant jump. Vs some pters feel like they are in an endless loop of staying just barely above what new hires make with every new contract that focuses on the new start rate

Wrong , not every contract focuses on a starting pay rate . Actually , none have . It’s been 8.50 since the 80s

 

[Trailer monkey]

So do long time part timers get the $1.50 longevity raise and the $2.75 yearly raise starting next Wednesday?

It's most likely .30 added to each raise

 

[mikejonesjr]

Wrong , not every contract focuses on a starting pay rate . Actually , none have . It’s been 8.50 since the 80s

Well the last two contracts. Which is still everyone under 10 years making near the same. It would be as if in ten years I get a different job and make just about the same amount as someone who had just worked there 10 years. For a union job that’s sad. But I understand seniority increases etc.

 

[R1wonder]

Our last contract was a joke and nobody even participated voting . I have 19 years and I’ve been topped out for like 3 maybe . Unfortunately driving is the way to fast track making money . I understand not everyone wants to do it

 

[TheWeasel]

So do long time part timers get the $1.50 longevity raise and the $2.75 yearly raise starting next Wednesday?

Teamsters reach tentative deal with UPS, delivering $30 billion in gains over 5 years

Teamsters say tentative deal reached with UPS, averting logistics chaos and walkout by 340,000 unionized workers.

www.wdrb.com

"The raises would be given on a spectrum: those who have five years of service would get $0.50 per hour; those with 10 years would get $1 and those with 15 years would get $1.50, according to a source familiar with the negotiations."