DriveInDriveOut
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So why do you think it's so hard for you and "most sane people" to call it what it actually is?
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Doublestandards
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Even if the baby could be born? You’re saying the mothers life is more valuable than the babies? Why is that?
DriveInDriveOut
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No, I clearly did not say that.
Doublestandards
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You said abortion, or killing babies as you call it, is rarely acceptable and not always murder. I asked what that situation would be, and you said protecting another life
The only situation I can think of where abortion would be saving another life is if the mothers life is in harm due to the pregnancy.
So if that is not the situation, what is the situation where it is acceptable, in your opinion?
Doublestandards
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If you’re saying the mothers life is not more valuable than the babies, then why would it be acceptable to purposely kill the baby to potentially save the mother?
DriveInDriveOut
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If a brilliant scientist who is curing cancer tries to kill a drug dealer who slept with his wife, is it murder for the drug dealer to kill the scientist in self defense?
The "value" society places on their lives is irrelevant to the question of whether the killing is murder or not.
DriveInDriveOut
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Again, you can't even be honest with yourself and speak without a euphemism to cover up reality.
Doublestandards
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You said saving a mothers life is one of the rare situations where abortion is acceptable. You also said the mothers life is not more valuable than the babies life.
Then why do you think it is okay to purposely kill a baby to potentially save the mothers life?
Doublestandards
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There’s something wrong with using the term abortion?
DriveInDriveOut
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No I did not say that.
Doublestandards
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So you think the mothers life is more valuable than the babies? Why is that?
DriveInDriveOut
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I did not say that.
Doublestandards
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You implied it by saying purposely killing the baby to potentially save the mother is one of the rare acceptable situations where abortion is ok
If the mothers life was not more valuable, in your opinion, how else could you justify killing one to potentially save the other?
I knew a lady when I was a teenager who refused to abort her baby even though having the baby might kill her. She was the mother of 5 kids if I remember right and couldn't bear the thought of killing her child. She did die in childbirth.
There are people who'd rather die than kill their unborn child. Some things matter more to them than inconvenience. In states where the majority feel that way then the majority should rule on the matter. The Supreme Court returned that determination to the States. If you don't agree you are free to move to a state that's more inline with your thinking. You are pointing out the exceptions but you forget that we had over 50 years of Roe vs Wade where 60 million+ babies were aborted. Some were due to exceptions like incest and rape but most were a matter of convenience to cover up indiscretions. That's what this is about.
DriveInDriveOut
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No I did not.
Doublestandards
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lol ok sure. So when do you feel it is acceptable for an abortion to take place?
DriveInDriveOut
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Doublestandards
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“When done to protect another life”
So… saving the life of the mother.
If the life of the mother is not more valuable than the life of the baby, as you say, why would you purposely kill the baby to maybe save the mother?
DriveInDriveOut
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I did not say that.
You have now lied multiple times about what I said.
Doublestandards
Well-Known Member
So which is it? The life of the mother is more important than the baby? Or the life of the mother is not more important than the baby?
You said one of the acceptable situations in your opinion to abort a baby is to save the mothers life. Choosing to save one life, especially by purposely killing another life, is clearly deciding one life is more important than the other. Your drug dealing affair fantasy doesn’t apply for this moral question, because the baby, as you say, has no malicious intent.
Forget legal jargon and definitions of killing or murder, what is your opinion? If the mothers life is not more important, but neither is the babies, and both are innocent, how is it okay then to consciously kill one to save the other?
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