The 2024 Presidential Race Thread

[DriveInDriveOut]

A fetus is by definition a baby.
Abortion on a fetus by definition kills that baby.

killing a baby as you call it

Is it hard for you to call it what it is?

Well that’s not what most sane people call it

So why do you think it's so hard for you and "most sane people" to call it what it actually is?

 

[Doublestandards]

Killing is generally agreed to not be murder when it is done to protect another life.

Even if the baby could be born? You’re saying the mothers life is more valuable than the babies? Why is that?

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Killing is generally agreed to not be murder when it is done to protect another life.

You’re saying the mothers life is more valuable than the babies?

No, I clearly did not say that.

 

[Doublestandards]

No.
Read my post again.

You said abortion, or killing babies as you call it, is rarely acceptable and not always murder. I asked what that situation would be, and you said protecting another life

The only situation I can think of where abortion would be saving another life is if the mothers life is in harm due to the pregnancy.

So if that is not the situation, what is the situation where it is acceptable, in your opinion?

 

[Doublestandards]

No, I clearly did not say that.

If you’re saying the mothers life is not more valuable than the babies, then why would it be acceptable to purposely kill the baby to potentially save the mother?

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

If you’re saying the mothers life is not more valuable than the babies, then why would it be acceptable to purposely kill the baby to potentially save the mother?

If a brilliant scientist who is curing cancer tries to kill a drug dealer who slept with his wife, is it murder for the drug dealer to kill the scientist in self defense?

The "value" society places on their lives is irrelevant to the question of whether the killing is murder or not.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

You said abortion, or killing babies as you call it

Again, you can't even be honest with yourself and speak without a euphemism to cover up reality.

 

[Doublestandards]

If a brilliant scientist who is curing cancer tries to kill a drug dealer who slept with his wife, is it murder for the drug dealer to kill the scientist in self defense?

The "value" society places on their lives is irrelevant to the question of whether the killing is murder or not.

You said saving a mothers life is one of the rare situations where abortion is acceptable. You also said the mothers life is not more valuable than the babies life.

Then why do you think it is okay to purposely kill a baby to potentially save the mothers life?

 

[Doublestandards]

Again, you can't even be honest with yourself and speak without a euphemism to cover up reality.

There’s something wrong with using the term abortion?

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

The "value" society places on their lives is irrelevant to the question of whether the killing is murder or not.

You also said the mothers life is not more valuable than the babies life.

No I did not say that.

 

[Doublestandards]

No I did not say that.

So you think the mothers life is more valuable than the babies? Why is that?

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

So you think the mothers life is more valuable than the babies? Why is that?

I did not say that.

 

[Doublestandards]

I did not say that.

You implied it by saying purposely killing the baby to potentially save the mother is one of the rare acceptable situations where abortion is ok

If the mothers life was not more valuable, in your opinion, how else could you justify killing one to potentially save the other?

 

[vantexan]

You said saving a mothers life is one of the rare situations where abortion is acceptable. You also said the mothers life is not more valuable than the babies life.

Then why do you think it is okay to purposely kill a baby to potentially save the mothers life?

I knew a lady when I was a teenager who refused to abort her baby even though having the baby might kill her. She was the mother of 5 kids if I remember right and couldn't bear the thought of killing her child. She did die in childbirth.

There are people who'd rather die than kill their unborn child. Some things matter more to them than inconvenience. In states where the majority feel that way then the majority should rule on the matter. The Supreme Court returned that determination to the States. If you don't agree you are free to move to a state that's more inline with your thinking. You are pointing out the exceptions but you forget that we had over 50 years of Roe vs Wade where 60 million+ babies were aborted. Some were due to exceptions like incest and rape but most were a matter of convenience to cover up indiscretions. That's what this is about.