The 2024 Presidential Race Thread

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
So which is it? The life of the mother is more important than the baby? Or the life of the mother is not more important than the baby?
I already answered that:
If a brilliant scientist who is curing cancer tries to kill a drug dealer who slept with his wife, is it murder for the drug dealer to kill the scientist in self defense?

The "value" society places on their lives is irrelevant to the question of whether the killing is murder or not.
 

Doublestandards

Well-Known Member
I already answered that:
Again, forget the legal definition of murder

We’ll go with your definition, killing a baby

If you say both lives are equal to one another, and both parties are innocent (unlike your fantasy with the drug dealer having sex with a scientists wife…) how can you morally justify killing one to maybe save the other?

I wonder if you would have the same moral consistency after the baby is born? If there was a situation where only one of their lives could be saved, would you still choose to save the mothers life?
 

Doublestandards

Well-Known Member
Do you agree with your political party's position that choosing to kill a baby for any reason at all, up until the moment of birth, is perfectly okay?
You said that a fetus is still a baby, so what difference does it make whether it’s 15 weeks or 3 months? Does the life become more valuable after a certain time, and what is that time, in your opinion?
 

Doublestandards

Well-Known Member
I did not say that.
Are you even capable of not lying?
Ok, so far you have said:

1. I did not say the mothers life is more valuable than the babies

2. I did not say the mothers life is not more valuable than the babies

And

3. I did not say the mothers life and babies life are equally valuable

Fascinating
 

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
Ok, so far you have said:

1. I did not say the mothers life is more valuable than the babies

2. I did not say the mothers life is not more valuable than the babies

And

3. I did not say the mothers life and babies life are equally valuable

Fascinating
Yes.
Thank you for pointing out three times I have had to correct your lies in this conversation. How bout you stop lying?
 

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
Do you agree with your political party's position that choosing to kill a baby for any reason at all, up until the moment of birth, is perfectly okay?
You said that a fetus is still a baby, so what difference does it make whether it’s 15 weeks or 3 months? Does the life become more valuable after a certain time, and what is that time, in your opinion?
Are you scared to answer?
Or was that your way of saying yes.
 

Doublestandards

Well-Known Member
I never said I would choose to save the mother's life. You just can't help but lie.
Stop being dramatic with the “you lied” while talking in circles. That schtick is tired and lazy and just not clever

You started the discussion by saying “Says the dude who came here to defend stabbing babies in the skull and vacuuming out their brains.”

I asked you if abortion, or stabbing babies in the skull and vacuuming out their brains, as you called it, is ever acceptable, and you said: “rarely”.

Rarely does not mean never. So when is it, in your opinion and moral compass, acceptable to stab babies in the skull and vacuume out their brains?
 
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Doublestandards

Well-Known Member
Just stop lying so much my friend.
One more time just to give you a fair chance
You started the discussion by saying “Says the dude who came here to defend stabbing babies in the skull and vacuuming out their brains.”

I asked you if abortion, or stabbing babies in the skull and vacuuming out their brains, as you called it, is ever acceptable, and you said: “rarely”.

Rarely does not mean never. So when is it, in your opinion and moral compass, acceptable to stab babies in the skull and vacuume out their brains?
 

Next Day Err

Well-Known Member
Trump would be screaming his throat raw that he MADE AMERICA RICH AGAIN if he were president right now. The economy is red hot and the envy of the world.
 

fishtm2001

Well-Known Member
"White House research and public documents revealed a degree of windfall profits on the part of ocean shippers that shocked even Biden senior staffers. In 2023, Maersk paid out over $10 billion to shareholders. Hapag-Lloyd paid out over $12 billion.

On September 27, the White House invited the industry side to an in-person meeting with Brainard, Su, and Buttigieg. At the meeting, Biden’s people made clear that the president had no intention to accede to industry demands that he use emergency powers under the Taft-Hartley Act to suspend the strike for 80 days, and that he expected the industry to reach a settlement with the union."

Robert Kuttner


Thanks, Joe!
 

Next Day Err

Well-Known Member
"White House research and public documents revealed a degree of windfall profits on the part of ocean shippers that shocked even Biden senior staffers. In 2023, Maersk paid out over $10 billion to shareholders. Hapag-Lloyd paid out over $12 billion.

On September 27, the White House invited the industry side to an in-person meeting with Brainard, Su, and Buttigieg. At the meeting, Biden’s people made clear that the president had no intention to accede to industry demands that he use emergency powers under the Taft-Hartley Act to suspend the strike for 80 days, and that he expected the industry to reach a settlement with the union."

Robert Kuttner


Thanks, Joe!
Indeed. Biden knew these companies would fold and he respected organized labor. The question remains if those laborers will reward him and his party. I'm guessing not.
 

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
Do you agree with your political party's position that choosing to kill a baby for any reason at all up until the moment of birth is perfectly okay?
Keep the government out of women’s decisions between her and her doctor.
So yes, you're cool with killing babies at 9 months into the pregnancy for any reason at all.

That's your party's position and it's your position.

Most Americans disagree.
 
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