The 2024 Presidential Race Thread

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In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier
The reason these radical Democrats pushing for no restrictions at all on baby killings won't be honest is because they know their party is out of line with the majority of Americans.

Democrats are extremely radical on the abortion issue.

That is all we are seeing in Ohio are pro abortion and anti M.o.r.e.n.o commercials, that is the only thing they are running on besides their Trump hatred. All of them distort the truth or are basic fear mongering, one in particular is real obnoxious and is really hurting their cause. I fully expect Brown to lose and the guy has been in the senate for 30 years. Ohio will go total Red this term the state had too many quality people on the Trump ticket and people are sick of what had been happening in the Harris/Biden administration…
 

Pullman Brown

Well-Known Member
Democracy should not be on the ballot because America was never meant to be a pure democratic plebiscitary. The rhetoric regarding “American democracy,” however, picked up in the early twentieth-century during the political movement of Progressivism and especially after the first and second World Wars. The leaders of the Progressive movement—intellectuals like John Dewey, Frank Goodnow, James Landis, and Herbert Croly, as well political figures like Woodrow Wilson, Teddy Roosevelt, and FDR—sought to undermine and displace the American constitutional order. Instead of a Senate chosen by state legislatures, the people would directly choose all of their congressmen. Instead of separation of powers and checks and balances (including non-delegation power, no combination of departmental functions, and administration under the executive), an administrative state created by legislative delegation and equipped with a combination of legislative, judicial, and executive powers would replicate parliamentary efficiency in order to make the government more responsive to the needs and wants of the people (as directed by experts).

The Progressives pushed for three major “democratic” reforms: the initiative and referendum, the recall of judicial decisions, and the direct primary among the states. Ballot initiatives were petition processes that, if garnering enough signatures, forced a direct vote on the matter by the legislature or among the people in general. Referendums were placed on the ballot as measures preliminarily passed by legislatures, but that could be approved or rejected by voters. The recall, either of duly elected representatives or of judicial decisions, empowered the people to deliberate over whether to remove officials of whom the people disapproved (before their term was over), or to annul judicial decisions that struck down popular legislative measures. The direct primary of political officeholders was meant to undermine the role of political parties and party bosses in choosing who would run and be supported for office. In the eyes of many progressives, political parties themselves were illegitimate institutions diluting the voice and action of the people; the direct primary (and the direct election of Senators) was meant to bypass parties and bring the voters into direct contact with the national government.

Ben Crenshaw
 

Pullman Brown

Well-Known Member
More than anything the American founders intended or did, the modern discourse and conceptuality of “democracy” has been almost completely formed by developments in twentieth-century political thought. It is progressivism’s pure democracy that everyone conceives of and references in their chatter about how Trump is a “threat to democracy.” If Trump is truly a threat to this kind of insidious democracy, then good, he should trounce it and burn it to ash. Yet there is little evidence that Trump would do anything to undermine the American constitutional system as it was originally conceived. The greater problem, however, is that Trump is neither running to preserve that original system nor would he govern under it, since it no longer exists.

Ben Crenshaw
 

Next Day Err

Well-Known Member
It's the supreme court's fault that your party is radically out of step with the American people's position on abortion?

Nope.
The blood lust was already there.
This is projection. It’s your party that is on the wrong side of the abortion issue. Don’t believe me? Let’s add up the state referendum results from the states that put it to a vote.
 

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
This is projection. It’s your party that is on the wrong side of the abortion issue.
Nope.

Trump and Vance have talked about 15 week restriction. That is in line with the majority of Americans.

Harris and Walz want no restriction at all, which is a radical position that most Americans oppose.

Facts matter.
 

Next Day Err

Well-Known Member
Nope.

Trump and Vance have talked about 15 week restriction. That is in line with the majority of Americans.

Harris and Walz want no restriction at all, which is a radical position that most Americans oppose.

Facts matter.
I would need to see a bill proposal to form a full opinion about a 15 week ban. Do the Republicans have one? Have they crafted one for me to read?
 

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
I would need to see a bill proposal to form a full opinion about a 15 week ban. Do the Republicans have one? Have they crafted one for me to read?
Democrats proposed a bill with no restrictions on abortion, which is radically out of step with the opinion of a majority of Americans.

Trump and Vance have talked about a 15 week restriction, which is supported by most Americans.

Your party is radical.
 
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