The 2024 Presidential Race Thread

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
Multi generational crime families that should go away and never be heard from unless they’re donating their stolen wealth to charity to atone for their sins:
-Kennedy
-Bush
-Trump

The Dems are stuck with the sins of the Kennedy’s. But at least we’ll acknowledge them.
Joe Kennedy; Rum runner, major crook. Paid -off and twisted arms to get his son elected.
Bush; Prescott Bush. Friend and benefactor of the Nazis
Trump; Ongoing grift and corruption starting with Fred Drumpf and continuing until the present day.
USA incarceration rate per capita amongst founding nato countries looks like a giant boner
vantexan will be excited to see that graph.
 

BrownFlush

Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
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rickyb

Well-Known Member
Joe Kennedy; Rum runner, major crook. Paid -off and twisted arms to get his son elected.
Bush; Prescott Bush. Friend and benefactor of the Nazis
Trump; Ongoing grift and corruption starting with Fred Drumpf and continuing until the present day.

vantexan will be excited to see that graph.
vantexan is in a mental prison
 

rickyb

Well-Known Member
I love capitalism. It is a money generating machine.
I love the wealth of corporations. Pay the risk takers and stock holders the mega dividends.
Wealth generates wealth. A poor person never gave me a job.
workers take risks

capitalism depends on workers. but workers dont need capitalism - they can run the jobs themselves with no bosses

capitalism is rapidly destroying civilization in america.

captialism needs to be closely controlled, not that it is ideal anyways
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
workers take risks

capitalism depends on workers. but workers dont need capitalism - they can run the jobs themselves with no bosses

capitalism is rapidly destroying civilization in america.

captialism needs to be closely controlled, not that it is ideal anyways
Then start a company, share everything with your fellow workers, live happily ever after.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
Joe Kennedy; Rum runner, major crook. Paid -off and twisted arms to get his son elected.
Bush; Prescott Bush. Friend and benefactor of the Nazis
Trump; Ongoing grift and corruption starting with Fred Drumpf and continuing until the present day.

vantexan will be excited to see that graph.
I'd look up your family tree but I'd be afraid to find your family still up in it.
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
workers take risks

capitalism depends on workers. but workers dont need capitalism - they can run the jobs themselves with no bosses

capitalism is rapidly destroying civilization in america.

captialism needs to be closely controlled, not that it is ideal anyways
People who start companies are the ones taking all the risks.
They have to find the capital to begin and maintain their newly formed companies.
Maybe in your utopia the workers will labor for free, but usually they want to be paid for their efforts.
 

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capitalism depends on workers. but workers dont need capitalism - they can run the jobs themselves with no bosses
I’m open minded but I just don’t see this in practice. It’s not illegal for workers to run entire enterprises in America so it should beg the question—why don’t they?

I am of the belief that management is management for a reason. Owners are owners for a reason. It streamlines the vision, the business plan. Some fail, most fail, actually—some are successful and a very few are wildly successful.

Why aren’t more businesses in the free world worker-owned and ran? Serious question.
 

rickyb

Well-Known Member
I’m open minded but I just don’t see this in practice. It’s not illegal for workers to run entire enterprises in America so it should beg the question—why don’t they?

I am of the belief that management is management for a reason. Owners are owners for a reason. It streamlines the vision, the business plan. Some fail, most fail, actually—some are successful and a very few are wildly successful.

Why aren’t more businesses in the free world worker-owned and ran? Serious question.
part of it is policy. italy has policies which promote worker owned / run business.

another thing would be counter revolutions. so you had this in russia, and in spain too. partly propaganda too. in america, it used to be a very popular idea and the workers were anti capitalist as well. but thats pushed to the margins these days.

worker owned / run biz are actually more likely to succeed than capitalist

if i recall, the traditional definition of socialism is worker run businesses. america had 2 red scares, so its frowned upon.
 

rickyb

Well-Known Member
People who start companies are the ones taking all the risks.
They have to find the capital to begin and maintain their newly formed companies.
Maybe in your utopia the workers will labor for free, but usually they want to be paid for their efforts.
workers take risks on the job and in addition they can lose their job
 
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