The difference between Conservatives and Liberals

[tonyexpress]

So much again for the false "Conservative" claim of "fiscal responsibility" much less "limited gov't"! Of the states who have already done this, Florida for example, the cost benefit to money spent was an utter failure. Something on the order of less than 3% of those tested, and that maybe to high, were found to test positive so the so-called money saved didn't even come close to the amount of total spent. When does gov't ever give a value of return on investment?

The testing also disproved the claim that welfare recipients weren't the denizens of druggies often laid on them.

I found this link interesting about the topic and this may have been what you had already read.

In conclusion:

Let's remember what Scott said. He told CNN's T.J. Holmes that, "Studies show that people that are on welfare are higher users of drugs than people not on welfare."

Scott's office provided evidence that supports that claim. Sort of.

And opponents provided evidence that refutes Scott's claim. Sort of.

What's obvious is that it's difficult to make broad generalizations about a whole group of people. And it's even more difficult to definitively measure drug use. Scott's statement is at least partially accurate because there are studies showing a higher prevalence of drug use among some welfare recipients. But he also is neglecting research that suggests that drug use among welfare and non-welfare recipients is consistent. We rate this claim Half True.

 

[bottomups]

And if he doesn't spend money to improve the states infrastructure, you will accuse him of ignoring the needs of the state.

We figured out how you liberals attack us and just come right back at you with facts and common sense.

Gov. Walker inherited a $3.6 Billion deficit, and turned it into a state surplus. He has lowered taxes for all the residents of Wisconsin and has been fought by the Democrats, Liberals and labor unions every step of the way.

And for all of this, he gets blasted by the left for everything. Go figure.

I have no problem with Wisconsin spending money on upgrades and maintenance to our infrastructure. Just believe that we should pay as we go and not use accounting gimmicks to kick the bill down the road. Both parties have been doing this for years and we do actually have a quite large structural deficit because of it.
Walker should just man up and tell the truth about what we need done and let us know how the gas and vehicle registration taxes are going to have to increase to pay the bill.
To the credit of Wisconsins legislature, I think there is going to be a battle with Walker about how we pay for the roadwork in the next 2 year budget.

 

[bbsam]

I have no problem with Wisconsin spending money on upgrades and maintenance to our infrastructure. Just believe that we should pay as we go and not use accounting gimmicks to kick the bill down the road. Both parties have been doing this for years and we do actually have a quite large structural deficit because of it.
Walker should just man up and tell the truth about what we need done and let us know how the gas and vehicle registration taxes are going to have to increase to pay the bill.
To the credit of Wisconsins legislature, I think there is going to be a battle with Walker about how we pay for the roadwork in the next 2 year budget.

Borrow the money now at near 0% and go big with it. Wisconsin has awesome roads. Don't deteriorate into second rate system like Illinois.

 

[BrownArmy]

There are drivers in my center that are doing the exact SAME work as I do that don't make as much as I do.
Is that UNFAIR?
And if you say it is, how come it's that way because of a union contract if it is so unfair?

Apples and oranges.

You make more than others that do the exact same work you do because it's a union contract and you are further along in the wage progression.

That has nothing to do with the pay equity gap between genders.

 

[wkmac]

I found this link interesting about the topic and this may have been what you had already read.

In conclusion:

Let's remember what Scott said. He told CNN's T.J. Holmes that, "Studies show that people that are on welfare are higher users of drugs than people not on welfare."

Scott's office provided evidence that supports that claim. Sort of.

And opponents provided evidence that refutes Scott's claim. Sort of.

What's obvious is that it's difficult to make broad generalizations about a whole group of people. And it's even more difficult to definitively measure drug use. Scott's statement is at least partially accurate because there are studies showing a higher prevalence of drug use among some welfare recipients. But he also is neglecting research that suggests that drug use among welfare and non-welfare recipients is consistent. We rate this claim Half True.

Not specifically that piece but some of the info, yes. Here is another perspective on the matter and of course the more we look we see vested self interests hiding that could also factor in. Yet the silence of this form of welfare IMO is telling.

 

[realbrown1]

Apples and oranges.

You make more than others that do the exact same work you do because it's a union contract and you are further along in the wage progression.

That has nothing to do with the pay equity gap between genders.

So all that GARBAGE about the same pay for the same work can be negotiated away with a union contract?
And you are also saying that different pay for the same work is OK if it's just all men involved?
Because I not seeing this massive hatred of women by the Republicans that you are claiming.

 

[realbrown1]

I have no problem with Wisconsin spending money on upgrades and maintenance to our infrastructure. Just believe that we should pay as we go and not use accounting gimmicks to kick the bill down the road. Both parties have been doing this for years and we do actually have a quite large structural deficit because of it.
Walker should just man up and tell the truth about what we need done and let us know how the gas and vehicle registration taxes are going to have to increase to pay the bill.
To the credit of Wisconsins legislature, I think there is going to be a battle with Walker about how we pay for the roadwork in the next 2 year budget.

He has balance the budget and has a surplus. It wasn't the Democrats that did that, but Republican Scott Walker and the Republicans in Wisconsins government that did that.
And you are worried about his accounting gimmicks?
I think you are more worried that after his massive successes in Wisconsin, that he'll decide to run for president in 2016. President Scott Walker. I like the way that sounds.

 

[Sportello]

Borrow the money now at near 0% and go big with it. Wisconsin has awesome roads. Don't deteriorate into second rate system like Illinois.

Whoa there, pal. Are you some sort of free spending Socialist like Bernie Sanders? Why invest money in infrastructure in America when there is a boatload of cash to be made doing that elsewhere?

Reminds me of M&M Enterprises in Catch-22.


War pays.

 

[Sportello]

So all that GARBAGE about the same pay for the same work can be negotiated away with a union contract?
And you are also saying that different pay for the same work is OK if it's just all men involved?
Because I not seeing this massive hatred of women by the Republicans that you are claiming.

My goodness. I try to not wade this deeply in your pool, but do you not see contradictions in your post?

Unfortunately there is no known cure for non eyesight related myopia.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

So all that GARBAGE about the same pay for the same work can be negotiated away with a union contract?
And you are also saying that different pay for the same work is OK if it's just all men involved?
Because I not seeing this massive hatred of women by the Republicans that you are claiming.

Same pay for same work is garbage in your mind... interesting, you must be one of the yes voters on the last contract.

 

[wkmac]

As I read some of the comments from testing welfare recipients for drugs or the debate on equal pay, I'm reminded of the very old line. Once Upon A Time..............

Seems to me even in the official narratives regurgitated by both sides, lack of understanding history leaves much missing. Controlling the past assures control of the future which leaves a vast majority of the people on the outside paying for the very few who own the inside who are risking nothing. And both political sides assure and make it so!

 

[realbrown1]

My goodness. I try to not wade this deeply in your pool, but do you not see contradictions in your post?

Unfortunately there is no known cure for non eyesight related myopia.

I don't speak trollese.

 

[realbrown1]

Same pay for same work is garbage in your mind... interesting, you must be one of the yes voters on the last contract.

Actually I was on BC arguing for a NO vote.
Go back and check if you don't believe me.
And that equal pay for equal work is stupid. I am not saying that women are inferior, I am saying they shouldn't have special rights men don't get.

 

[wkmac]

I don't speak trollese.

But I'll give you credit, you are a master of ad hominese.

 

[Packmule]

This was passed on to me from a good friend. Very valid points.


Conservative / Liberal Explained
If a conservative doesn’t like guns, he doesn't buy one.
If a liberal doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.

If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat.
If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned foreveryone.

If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat his enemy.
A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.

If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a liberalis homosexual, he demands legislated respect.

If a person of color is conservative, they see themselves as independently successful.
Their liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of government protection.

If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.

If a conservative doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches channels.
Liberals demand that those they don’t like be shut down.

If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn’t go to church.
A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced. (Unless it’s a foreign religion, of course!)

If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.

If a conservative slips and falls in a store, he gets up, laughs and is embarrassed.
If a liberal slips and falls, he grabs his neck, moans like he's in labor and then sues.

If a conservative reads this, he'll forward it so his friends can have a good laugh.
A liberal will delete it because he's "offended

Anyone know how to transfer this to Facebook? This needs to get around!

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

Anyone know how to transfer this to Facebook? This needs to get around!

I think that is where I got it from? Or maybe not. That was almost 6 years ago so its hard to remember for sure. I don't even have Facebook or Google+ anymore. I had Twitter briefly (recently) but it got old very quick.

 

[Packmule]

Never mind, just figured it out.

 

[Packmule]

This was passed on to me from a good friend. Very valid points.


Conservative / Liberal Explained
If a conservative doesn’t like guns, he doesn't buy one.
If a liberal doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed.

If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn't eat meat.
If a liberal is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned foreveryone.

If a conservative sees a foreign threat, he thinks about how to defeat his enemy.
A liberal wonders how to surrender gracefully and still look good.

If a conservative is homosexual, he quietly leads his life.
If a liberalis homosexual, he demands legislated respect.

If a person of color is conservative, they see themselves as independently successful.
Their liberal counterparts see themselves as victims in need of government protection.

If a conservative is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
A liberal wonders who is going to take care of him.

If a conservative doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches channels.
Liberals demand that those they don’t like be shut down.

If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn’t go to church.
A liberal non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced. (Unless it’s a foreign religion, of course!)

If a conservative decides he needs health care, he goes about shopping for it, or may choose a job that provides it.
A liberal demands that the rest of us pay for his.

If a conservative slips and falls in a store, he gets up, laughs and is embarrassed.
If a liberal slips and falls, he grabs his neck, moans like he's in labor and then sues.

If a conservative reads this, he'll forward it so his friends can have a good laugh.
A liberal will delete it because he's "offended

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

Never mind, just figured it out.

I just re-read it myself for the first time since right after I posted it. It still holds true and always will. There simply is no way to refute the content. There just isn't and it drives liberals mad. And even some not so liberal democrats but only because they are the type that supports their "side" no matter what. Kind of reminds me of rabid fans supporting a college or pro football franchise even when they've been caught red handed cheating or in other scandals. Thats one of the reasons why I don't come into the current events board nearly as much as I used to. Because that happens on both sides and I feel there is no point in fighting it. But sometimes I can't resist.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Anyone know how to transfer this to Facebook? This needs to get around!

Select all the text, then press Alt-F4.