The Russians Are Coming, The Russians Are Coming!

[bbsam]

Just floating that possibility limits Mueeler's ability to intimidate witnesses/suspects.

I don’t think so. Because if the charge is money laundering, that goes straight to the top the guy who can’t pardon himself.

 

[bbsam]

I wasn't aware Trump had said that.
I was going by what I have heard Constitutional lawyers and scholars say.
The only reason a POTUS "couldn't" is due to political reasons ... not legal reasons.

Which Constitutional lawyers and scholars said that?

 

[oldngray]

I don’t think so. Because if the charge is money laundering, that goes straight to the top the guy who can’t pardon himself.

 

[bbsam]

And you snowflakes don't believe anything that falls out of that fat mouth of his.

I can't decide which one is dumber!

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You are dumber

 

[Old Man Jingles]

I don’t think so. Because if the charge is money laundering, that goes straight to the top the guy who can’t pardon himself.

Why do you keep hanging on to this falsehood.

The POTUS can pardon/commute anyone including the POTUS except for impeachment.
It's in the Constitution.

Even The NY Times says the President can pardon himself with the one "big" exception and that exception is impeachment.

Can Trump Pardon Himself? Not if He's Impeached

 

[Old Man Jingles]

You are dumber

Than who/what?

You are the one that keeps displaying your ignorance by claiming the President cannot pardon himself. That's just dumb.

 

[Sportello]

I wasn't aware Trump had said that.
I was going by what I have heard Constitutional lawyers and scholars say.
The only reason a POTUS "couldn't" is due to political reasons ... not legal reasons.

That would surely end up in the SCOTUS.

There is the ‘can’t be a judge in your own trial’ thought, and that American ideal of no man is above the law.

 

[Box Ox]

Even The NY Times says the President can pardon himself with the one "big" exception and that exception is impeachment.

Well, at least he’d go down as a disgraced dirtbag in the history books whether he pardons himself or not. I don’t really care whether he spends time in jail for what he did. Just want him caught and remembered for it if he is guilty of anything.

But that shouldn’t be a problem anyway. Since this whole investigation is a WITTTTTCHHHH HUNNNNNNTTTTT! HILLARYYYY!

 

[bbsam]

Why do you keep hanging on to this falsehood.

The POTUS can pardon/commute anyone including the POTUS except for impeachment.
It's in the Constitution.

Even The NY Times says the President can pardon himself with the one "big" exception and that exception is impeachment.

Can Trump Pardon Himself? Not if He's Impeached

So you are suggesting pardoning a defendant before a trial?

 

[Sportello]

If the president does it, it’s not illegal

 

[Old Man Jingles]

That would surely end up in the SCOTUS.

There is the ‘can’t be a judge in your own trial’ thought, and that American ideal of no man is above the law.

I agree that is the thought and some call it a rule.
Neither are Law or Legal regulation.
It will never be settled until it happens but even on CNN and NBC, their are lawyers that say Self-Pardon is not prohibited except in regards to impeachment.

A pardon is not a judgment of guilt ... it is a pardon which 'forgives' the judgment of the US legal system aka Courts.

 

[Old Man Jingles]

So you are suggesting pardoning a defendant before a trial?

That is possible, yes.

 

[bbsam]

That is possible, yes.

That doesn’t make sense.

 

[It will be fine]

That is possible, yes.

Who knew the “conservatives” are the ones supporting the idea that the chief executive can act like a king above the law? Not exactly the founder’s vision.

 

[bbsam]

That is possible, yes.

Can President Bush pardon people who haven't even been charged with a crime?

 

[bbsam]

Who knew the “conservatives” are the ones supporting the idea that the chief executive can act like a king above the law? Not exactly the founder’s vision.

I’m not surprised.

 

[Sportello]

Ford pardoned Nixon before a trial. There is precedent for that. I would like @Old Man Jingles to cite one incident of self pardon. Because the Constitution doesn’t say you can’t doesn’t mean you can.

 

[vantexan]

Who knew the “conservatives” are the ones supporting the idea that the chief executive can act like a king above the law? Not exactly the founder’s vision.

None of that statement is true.

 

[El Correcto]

Y’all still going on about Russia? Jesus.

 

[Box Ox]

Y’all still going on about Russia? Jesus.

Yeah. The Republicans just won’t let the investigation continue in peace. Stays in the news!

“WHERE’S THE EVIDENCE (from this ongoing investigation)? SHUT IT DOWN! SHUT IT DOWWWWWNNNNN! WITCH HUNNNNT! HILLARRRRYYYYYYY!”