THE TRUMP 2024 THREAD

[El Correcto]

Leftists are so deep into a canyon of insanity that they can’t get back out of it quickly. I’m a previously pretty standard liberal standing on the edge of that canyon hoping they’ll be able to climb out of it eventually. In the meantime it’s just amazing to watch.

I think it’s pretty insane you start a conversation declaring yourself some kind of ally to gay people and ask about what right they are denied, then immediately pivoting to hating on trans people.

You go from “I just care about the kids” routine too “transgender adults shouldn’t have equal civil rights” in the span of a couple comments.

Based on what exactly? One case in Canada that you took out of context to make it seem like the judgement was against trans civil rights?

 

[El Correcto]

Exactly what are you wanting then?

I think it’s been long enough and gays deserve full equal rights under the civil rights act.

Christians should not have the right to turn their business(public accommodations) into individuals with religious liberty to deny gays their civil rights.

 

[El Correcto]

So this is a jobs program for trans people? They are a tiny fraction of the population but you'd have every business out there which caters to the opposite sex have people on staff to be there just in case a trans person wants to be accomodated?

If the business doesn’t accommodate anyone with a penis that is one thing.

But this guy is sitting here acting like they denied service over trans identity.
it was purely genitalia. It doesn’t matter gender in this case at all and the ruling didn’t come down to “I’m denying this person service based on them being trans”.

It literally has nothing to do with the topic we were discussing which was civil rights. He just derailed the convo for literally no reason other than “trans people bad”.

I didn’t know anything about the case, I was just going along with hypotheticals of how it should apply if somebody is standing their ground over denying service based on identity. Your business doesn’t have religious beliefs if it is a public accommodation, your business has no right to discriminate based on those characteristics.

 

[vantexan]

I think it’s been long enough and gays deserve full equal rights under the civil rights act.

Christians should not have the right to turn their business(public accommodations) into individuals with religious liberty to deny gays their civil rights.

Seriously, what rights are YOU being denied?

 

[vantexan]

If the business doesn’t accommodate anyone with a penis that is one thing.

But this guy is sitting here acting like they denied service over trans identity.
it was purely genitalia. It doesn’t matter gender in this case at all and the ruling didn’t come down to “I’m denying this person service based on them being trans”.

It literally has nothing to do with the topic we were discussing which was civil rights. He just derailed the convo for literally no reason other than “trans people bad”.

I didn’t know anything about the case, I was just going along with hypotheticals of how it should apply if somebody is standing their ground over denying service based on identity. Your business doesn’t have religious beliefs if it is a public accommodation, your business has no right to discriminate based on those characteristics.

You're asking that people be catered to based on what they want to be instead of what they actually are. If a salon offers bikini waxes to women then you expect them to do the same for men right down to the scrotum. That's a bridge too far for most people. The compromise is to go to a salon that's willing to do such procedures. When gays say that's unacceptable, as they did with that bakery in Oregon, that exposes their agenda to force what they want on everyone. All you're doing is setting yourself up for a backlash.

 

[Doublestandards]

What would be the downsides to ensuring those rights that he’s talking about?

 

[vantexan]

What would be the downsides to ensuring those rights that he’s talking about?

You mean everyone having to accept people as whatever gender they claim to be? Use their preferred pronouns? Force everyone to accommodate requests by men for care reserved for women? Would a gynecologist have to treat a man as if he's really a woman? Where does this end?

 

[Doublestandards]

You mean everyone having to accept people as whatever gender they claim to be? Use their preferred pronouns? Force everyone to accommodate requests by men for care reserved for women? Would a gynecologist have to treat a man as if he's really a woman? Where does this end?

Well black people have certain civil rights in law but we’re not forced to called them anything specific like African American or whatever, we still have freedom of speech, I think he’s just talking about discrimination and refusal of service strictly for being gay, which seems reasonable to me

 

[vantexan]

Well black people have certain civil rights in law but we’re not forced to called them anything specific like African American or whatever, we still have freedom of speech, I think he’s just talking about discrimination and refusal of service strictly for being gay, which seems reasonable to me

Except that's not happening. You must've missed Nancy Pelosi requiring Representatives to use correct pronouns. It's been said many times here that it's a free country. If a man wants to dress like a woman that's his business. Just don't try to force us to accept it. Don't require girls to shower and change clothes in front of boys who say they're girls. Don't let boys on girls sports teams.

African Americans are genetically African Americans. It's a shame they had to struggle to get rights but it's absolutely their right under the Constitution. A small percentage of people wanting to be recognized as something other than their birth gender isn't the same thing.

 

[BrownFlush]

The only way I can see men getting to use women's restrooms, lockers, showers, etc is if they get the complete sex change. Remove his genitals, have a constructed vagina, shave off his Adam's Apple, take hormones to grow breasts, and deceive the women in those facilities.

Slow down.
He's gettin' hard.

 

[BrownFlush]

service strictly for being gay, which seems reasonable to me

On the door....
Men.
Women.
Dick Suckers.

 

[El Correcto]

You're asking that people be catered to based on what they want to be instead of what they actually are. If a salon offers bikini waxes to women then you expect them to do the same for men right down to the scrotum. That's a bridge too far for most people. The compromise is to go to a salon that's willing to do such procedures. When gays say that's unacceptable, as they did with that bakery in Oregon, that exposes their agenda to force what they want on everyone. All you're doing is setting yourself up for a backlash.

No I expect an establishment that provides services to provide to all Americans. That is civil rights.

If a beauty salon wouldn’t wax any penis that is not a service they offer and isn’t a civil rights violation against men or trans women.

If a beauty salon does offer that service and decides for whatever reason they won’t do it for a trans person that would be a civil rights issue.

The guy was making it seem like they denied a trans person a service they offered when the argument didn’t come down to any civil rights complaint. It was just a denial of a service they don’t offer.

 

[El Correcto]

Except that's not happening. You must've missed Nancy Pelosi requiring Representatives to use correct pronouns. It's been said many times here that it's a free country. If a man wants to dress like a woman that's his business. Just don't try to force us to accept it. Don't require girls to shower and change clothes in front of boys who say they're girls. Don't let boys on girls sports teams.

It doesn’t matter what you personally accept.
A business owner is free to not accept racial minorities as human beings or “real americans”, the business he owns is not.

Businesses and public accommodations are not individuals. They do not have the same rights as a private citizen. Your business is not a christian. It will provide services for Americans or it will be sued out of existence.

African Americans are genetically African Americans. It's a shame they had to struggle to get rights but it's absolutely their right under the Constitution. A small percentage of people wanting to be recognized as something other than their birth gender isn't the same thing.

I would disagree, I see no reason to deny trans people public accommodation based on their trans status. You’re free to disagree with it, but your business should not be legally allowed to deny services offered to any other citizen based on that.

 

[vantexan]

No I expect an establishment that provides services to provide to all Americans. That is civil rights.

If a beauty salon wouldn’t wax any penis that is not a service they offer and isn’t a civil rights violation against men or trans women.

If a beauty salon does offer that service and decides for whatever reason they won’t do it for a trans person that would be a civil rights issue.

The guy was making it seem like they denied a trans person a service they offered when the argument didn’t come down to any civil rights complaint. It was just a denial of a service they don’t offer.

Who waxes penises? The point of waxing is to remove hair, right? So if a woman gets a bikini wax at a salon then you think that same service should be given to a man who says he's a woman, right?

 

[vantexan]

It doesn’t matter what you personally accept.
A business owner is free to not accept racial minorities as human beings or “real americans”, the business he owns is not.

Businesses and public accommodations are not individuals. They do not have the same rights as a private citizen. Your business is not a christian. It will provide services for Americans or it will be sued out of existence.

I would disagree, I see no reason to deny trans people public accommodation based on their trans status. You’re free to disagree with it, but your business should not be legally allowed to deny services offered to any other citizen based on that.

Fortunately as far as I know no one is being forced to offer services to trans people that they find violates their conscience.

 

[El Correcto]

Who waxes penises? The point of waxing is to remove hair, right? So if a woman gets a bikini wax at a salon then you think that same service should be given to a man who says he's a woman, right?

It is not the same service and there is different training for different genitalia.
When done to different genitalia it becomes a different service.

That was the reason the complaint wasn’t valid and thrown out. It didn’t come down to we won’t wax you because you’re trans, it was “we won’t wax you because that isn’t a service we offer here”.

 

[El Correcto]

Fortunately as far as I know no one is being forced to offer services to trans people that they find violates their conscience.

Businesses don’t have an individual consciousness. It could and has violated people’s consciousness to provide services to racial minorities. That argument didn’t hold up and shouldn’t hold up now.

You are free to have your thoughts and opinions, when you open a business or public accommodation it is not.

 

[El Correcto]

Come on man all these women want is someone to shave their balls what’s wrong with you? Let them live. We just need to give a reasonable accommodation so we can force someone to do that for them. That way they can live their lives. With a shorn scrotum.

There is no forcing someone to provide a service even under federal laws.
There is forcing businesses to provide accommodations.

You can never force someone to provide their labor or time. But you can sue a business out of existence that doesn’t make accommodations for all Americans when providing a service.

 

[vantexan]

Businesses don’t have an individual consciousness. It could and has violated people’s consciousness to provide services to racial minorities. That argument didn’t hold up and shouldn’t hold up now.

You are free to have your thoughts and opinions, when you open a business or public accommodation it is not.

Your group is behavior based, not a racial minority. And as far as I know no one is required to go along with your behavior if they don't want to. At least not in red states.

 

[Thebrownblob]

There is no forcing someone to provide a service even under federal laws.
There is forcing businesses to provide accommodations.

You can never force someone to provide their labor or time. But you can sue a business out of existence that doesn’t make accommodations for all Americans when providing a service.

So coercion? Having a special civil right for gay lesbians and transgender is not a reasonable accommodation there’s already civil rights we all have, and hate laws on the books.