Doublestandards
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Coming from the guy who supports Palestinian children being bombed because “they support Hamas”
Every comment of yours is projection
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We haven't committed any troops to Ukraine yet other than some training advisors. I'm 100% for getting this wrapped up. But we've got commitments all over the world to protect countries when attacked. We had an agreement to help Ukraine when they gave up their nukes. But enough is enough.
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US agreements aren't worth the paper they're printed on.
Next Day Err
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Where does it contradict that the U.S. has spent less in total aid to Ukraine that the EU?
It lists our military aid alone at $182.75 billion by the Federal agency tracking it. So who are you going to believe, them or a German think tank giving estimates?
Pullman Brown
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One thing I agree with you on. We created this war. That’s what empires do. Reagan had a good deal in 1991 and then it went downhill after that.
That fellow greatly exaggerates. Georgia didn't get destroyed. And the U.S. didn't put guns to the heads of countries that later joined NATO. They very much wanted NATO membership for one thing: they didn't want to ever go back to puppet governments controlled by the Russians and invasions by Russia if they tried to get rid of their puppet. Russia has no one else to blame for treating their neighbors so badly.
Pullman Brown
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You are definitely entitled to your opinion, I just disagree with your take on why that area is in this position that it’s in and who is to blame. I think you have to much of an optimistic take on our decisions.
Blame probably on both sides but we are probably more culpable because past administrations have been in many proxy and actual wars. And I’m not going to go back and forth with you about it.
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Fair enough.
Thebrownblob
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They already tried war sporty, four years of it with your buddy Biden. Didn’t work, someone like you should have a firm handle on being a loser. The only thing worse than being a loser is being one and not realizing it when everyone around you does.
Next Day Err
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They tried war and have held off the Russians for about 3 years longer than the Russians and even the United States would thought they would have held them off.
What happened to our backbone?
My opinion? Load the Ukranians up with more of what they need and then some. Let them keep fighting for their freedom and future. They don't want to give up. Make Putin come begging before we're ready to negotiate. Why the
ing rush to give up? Why? Who does this help? Ukrainians want to fight, let 'em. Wouldn't we want to fight in the same situation? Wouldn't you?
Thebrownblob
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Oh my God four years and we are right where we were four years ago. Our backbone? This is not “our” war. As soon as you strap on your boots and go over over there, then you can talk about it being your war. We are not sending troops and we never were and that is the only way this war ever stops. Move on. The American people voted for this war to be over or at least are part of it. The fact that you don’t like it is tough luck.They tried war and have held off the Russians for about 3 years longer than the Russians and even the United States would thought they would have held them off.
What happened to our backbone?
My opinion? Load the Ukranians up with more of what they need and then some. Let them keep fighting for their freedom and future. They don't want to give up. Make Putin come begging before we're ready to negotiate. Why the
It's a numbers game. The Ukrainians will eventually run out of fighting age men. And there's a very real possibility that Putin would use tactical nukes if it looks like the Ukrainians will win.They tried war and have held off the Russians for about 3 years longer than the Russians and even the United States would thought they would have held them off.
What happened to our backbone?
My opinion? Load the Ukranians up with more of what they need and then some. Let them keep fighting for their freedom and future. They don't want to give up. Make Putin come begging before we're ready to negotiate. Why the
If we were invaded we would use everything at our disposal, including nukes, to drive the invaders out. But about the only way the U.S. will ever be attacked is with nukes. And if Putin decides to go nuclear in Ukraine he may decide to try to take us out too. Our best bet for a better future is Putin aging out and a saner leader takes power.
Thebrownblob
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I’m reminded of the movie Goodfellas when Joe Pesci’s character was going to be made instead of being made they took him in the basement and shot him in the back of the head.
Ray Liottas character, and Robert De Niro’s character. We’re on the phone, crying and pissed off but at the end of it they both said it’s an Italian thing we don’t understand it. It’s their thing.
This is a Ukraine and Russia thing we will never understand it. We have no business in their business. Arrogant little boys who don’t have any idea what they’re talking about cheering for more war and death. but too cowardly to ever do it themselves.
Ray Liottas character, and Robert De Niro’s character. We’re on the phone, crying and pissed off but at the end of it they both said it’s an Italian thing we don’t understand it. It’s their thing.
This is a Ukraine and Russia thing we will never understand it. We have no business in their business. Arrogant little boys who don’t have any idea what they’re talking about cheering for more war and death. but too cowardly to ever do it themselves.
Three years. Most of '21 was a buildup before the war.
Next Day Err
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You wanna see Ukraine roll over and let Putin rape them for everything they have left and send the very clear signal to Xi in China that he can do whatever he wants to do to our allies and trade partners as well.
But the Ukrainians don't want to give up and let that happen. They want a negotiated peace with guarantees that Russia will stop and stop for good. That's not gonna happen for as long as Putin is alive.
Thebrownblob
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Honestly, I don’t care. It’s not my fight. And I certainly don’t want my kids going over there and fighting. Ukraine doesn’t have to give up. And you have no idea what they want to do nor do I the fog of war is pretty thick. Can’t even get people to join their ranks anymore, kidnapping them from there houses and forcing them. Everyone can live their country, but no one wants to commit suicide.
Next Day Err
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Putin won't use tactical nukes ever... as long as we have someone at the helm that doesn't think he's his friend.
Oh wait.
Next Day Err
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Half of them want a negotiated peace deal even if it means territorial concessions. 38% want to keep fighting. The remaining don't have a stated opinion.
If they think Putin will honor agreements I feel worse for them than I already do.
