THE TRUMP 2024 THREAD

Thebrownblob

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Half of them want a negotiated peace deal even if it means territorial concessions. 38% want to keep fighting. The remaining don't have a stated opinion.

If they think Putin will honor agreements I feel worse for them than I already do.
It is what it is. Perhaps the peace will work. Perhaps it won’t. Perhaps Putin will. piss off the wrong people next time and there will be a ground war with more countries involved I don’t know, but this war is over. At the very least are our involvement in it is over.
 

vantexan

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You wanna see Ukraine roll over and let Putin rape them for everything they have left and send the very clear signal to Xi in China that he can do whatever he wants to do to our allies and trade partners as well.

But the Ukrainians don't want to give up and let that happen. They want a negotiated peace with guarantees that Russia will stop and stop for good. That's not gonna happen for as long as Putin is alive.
Oh come on. If Trump was 100% behind the Ukrainian effort you'd slam him for that too. It's about Trump with you guys and always has been. You won't acknowledge that he kept us out of new wars during his first term and that Putin didn't attack Ukraine while Trump was president. Hasn't been back 6 weeks yet and everything is his fault. Come on man, as old Joe used to say.
 

Thebrownblob

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Oh come on. If Trump was 100% behind the Ukrainian effort you'd slam him for that too. It's about Trump with you guys and always has been. You won't acknowledge that he kept us out of new wars during his first term and that Putin didn't attack Ukraine while Trump was president. Hasn't been back 6 weeks yet and everything is his fault. Come on man, as old Joe used to say.
It’s interesting that it’s always lost on these people that this war never even happened when Trump was in office. I’m sure it’s just a coincidence. It happened directly after he was gone. Honestly, I think the Democrats were more pissed at Hillary loss because they wanted this war sooner.
 

Thebrownblob

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It’s not over. What this White House is doing is strengthening Russia’s hand. If they don’t engage in cyber warfare on Europe within in the next three years I’ll be surprised.

Putin isn’t done.

So this war didn’t work and Russia is not weakened? I gotcha, lol you can’t even keep your story straight.
Sounds like Europe probably better figure this out they might be in deep doo doo not my problem.
In the meantime, we’ve got plenty of mess to fix since the last four years in our own country.
 

Doublestandards

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Oh come on. If Trump was 100% behind the Ukrainian effort you'd slam him for that too. It's about Trump with you guys and always has been. You won't acknowledge that he kept us out of new wars during his first term and that Putin didn't attack Ukraine while Trump was president. Hasn't been back 6 weeks yet and everything is his fault. Come on man, as old Joe used to say.
Not true for me, I was optimistic and giving Trump credit for a little bit this second term for how he was handling it. But now he’s starting to do what I thought he would
 

Next Day Err

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So this war didn’t work and Russia is not weakened? I gotcha, lol you can’t even keep your story straight.
Sounds like Europe probably better figure this out they might be in deep doo doo not my problem.
In the meantime, we’ve got plenty of mess to fix since the last four years in our own country.
The war isn’t in Russia’s favor but anything we do to strengthen their position is foolish. They screwed up and should pay. What we are now doing is setting them up to rearm and refresh their forces. Why not keep them on the ropes? Help Ukraine apply more pressure? Make them waste their resources.
 

vantexan

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Not true for me, I was optimistic and giving Trump credit for a little bit this second term for how he was handling it. But now he’s starting to do what I thought he would
He's trying to end the war. He's deporting criminal aliens and has secured the border. He's trying to get better trade deals for the U.S. Where's he going wrong?
 

vantexan

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The war isn’t in Russia’s favor but anything we do to strengthen their position is foolish. They screwed up and should pay. What we are now doing is setting them up to rearm and refresh their forces. Why not keep them on the ropes? Help Ukraine apply more pressure? Make them waste their resources.
Russia has limited industrial capacity and has been severely degraded both economically and militarily. If you don't let Putin save face with a negotiated peace it may blow up in our faces.
 

Gotta Go

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vantexan

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I was talking specifically about Ukraine, but seems like he’s sucking up to dictators while bullying our allies
Trump definitely believes our allies exploit us for their own gain. Put trade in their favor while letting us bear the brunt of defense. Considering the $36 trillion hole we've dug ourselves things have got to change. He's not going to be popular for it.
 

Next Day Err

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Russia has limited industrial capacity and has been severely degraded both economically and militarily. If you don't let Putin save face with a negotiated peace it may blow up in our faces.
Ok. Then make him approach us with his requests for a negotiated peace. What are we doing bailing him out? Make him squirm. This is pure weakness on display from the White House.
 
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