govols019
You smell that?
Did that for years as a TCD...with the high step package cars and no power steering.
This generation is soft.
They are taking FT drivers OT
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Did that for years as a TCD...with the high step package cars and no power steering.
This generation is soft.
browned out
Well-Known Member
As of now it appears 224s can work up to 70 hours on the road per week. If that changes when we get the actual contract and supplements.
1989
Well-Known Member
I doubt I’ll see any 22.4 hires in this contract.
BakerMayfield2018
Fight the power.
Brown_Star
Methods Man
Why even use this Frankenstein hybrid driver just hire more package car drivers.
Bottom line you and the company don't give a flying friend$&@ about anyone and their families JUST MORE BROWN BUCKS
Your post makes no sense to me ups management has been dogging us for years! Hey guys here's a hybrid classification just for you ( scoffs) gtfoh
Corrupted greedy and soulless should be your new avatar name!!
UnconTROLLed
perfection
For several years I did a preload/air driver 22.3 job, 2am - 11am. It's only really unsafe during the summer, when you sweat everything out and are physically exhausted by the time you are going on road.
Rack em
Made the Podium
I used to preload then run routes in the summer and by Thursday my body was exhausted. It is definitely a safety issue to have a fatigued driver on the road.
UnconTROLLed
perfection
all of these overnight jobs provide a much higher injury rate as well as long term medical issues. That's the price to pay for 24 hour operations, though UPS and management in general always minimize the risks as well as neglect accountability to the max.
browned out
Well-Known Member
The Hoffa Team wasted most likely in excess of $100,000 of our dues money sending out Vote Yes propaganda before the vote on the 2013 contract. And then they the spent a bunch more of our $ to send out Vote Yes propaganda after the 18 supplements and riders were voted down last contract. They even stated the average UPS full time driver stands to make over $25,000 more over the term of that contract.
The $25,000 more info was true for the 2013-2018 contract. But now that the average FT driver stands to lose their right to OT valued at $125,000 to $175,000 over the term of the new agreement; AND SOMEHOW HOFFA/TAYLOR LEAVE THIS LIFE CHANGING INFO OUT OF THEIR UPDATES?
Yet, Hoffa/Taylor have not spent 1 cent on a questionnaire that should have been mailed to every part timer and full timer. The teamsters have all of our addresses. I received in excess of 15 mailings pushing the last contract.
The Teamsters are allowing UPS to take 25% to 35% of many full time drivers yearly income. YET NO MENTION IN AN UPDATE
The Teamsters are allowing UPS to take $25,000 to $35,000 or more per year for many drivers who never asked for their OT to eliminated or reduced. This results in a driver who wants and gets 10 to 15 or so hours OT to lose (have stolen from them) $125,000 to $175,000 or more over the 5 year term of the "agreement" AGAIN NO MENTION IN AN UPDATE. The drivers who really will be screwed are the ones who recently completed their 4 year progression working 55+ hours a week. Every one of these drivers that I have spoken with was really looking forward to OT at top wage.
The Teamsters are attempting to claim that all drivers wanted all OT eliminated. This is a misrepresentation at best. That is the VOCAL MINORITY. The Union and UPS know most drivers want OT as OT protections are already in place. The % of drivers on the 9.5 list is very low. We have FT drivers signing up for extra work every single Saturday for air driving. We also have drivers who volunteer to work the reload for OT. Over 90% of the drivers in our center are not on the 9.5 list. They want their OT. Drivers do not want their right to OT unilaterally taken away from them.
The Hybrids are getting screwed over by the Teamsters. They were NEVER asked if they wanted forced OT up to 70 hours per week with no 9.5 protection for at least the 5 year duration of the proposed "agreement" NO MENTION FROM THE TEAMSTERS AGAIN ABOUT BEING FORCED TO WORK UP TO 70 HOURS PER WEEK WITH NO PROTECTION FROM EXCESSIVE OT. Why doesn't the hybrids drivers family time matter?
Questionnaire example below for Taylor if he ever decides to end up actually asking the members what they want in this CBA. Taylor will have to ask the members what is acceptable after this CBA vote receives the impending NO VOTE. Couple simple obvious questions.
1. Part timers; Do you want to be forced to work up to 70 hours per week with no excessive OT 9.5 protection?
2. Part timers; Would you like to have the right to bid on OT if it is available? You will be forced to work over 9.5 hours only if not all staffing is met by employees who volunteer for OT.
1. Full Time Drivers; Do you want your rights to any and all OT and extra work taken away?
2. Full Time Drivers; If OT and extra work is available; Do you think you should have the right to the OT before the new hybrid drivers?
3. Full Time Drivers; Should UPS have the right to limit you to 40 hours per week even if OT is available?
Ask these questions of the entire membership and it will be extremely 1 sided answers.
From what we have been provided by the Teamsters so far; This contract (CBA) is being negotiated in bad faith. I hope we receive info that proves it is being negotiated in good faith on the teleforum on July 10th.
Maybe Taylor has only released the concessionary give back language and is holding off on the unreleased NEW GREAT Contract Language that is yet to come.
The $25,000 more info was true for the 2013-2018 contract. But now that the average FT driver stands to lose their right to OT valued at $125,000 to $175,000 over the term of the new agreement; AND SOMEHOW HOFFA/TAYLOR LEAVE THIS LIFE CHANGING INFO OUT OF THEIR UPDATES?
Yet, Hoffa/Taylor have not spent 1 cent on a questionnaire that should have been mailed to every part timer and full timer. The teamsters have all of our addresses. I received in excess of 15 mailings pushing the last contract.
The Teamsters are allowing UPS to take 25% to 35% of many full time drivers yearly income. YET NO MENTION IN AN UPDATE
The Teamsters are allowing UPS to take $25,000 to $35,000 or more per year for many drivers who never asked for their OT to eliminated or reduced. This results in a driver who wants and gets 10 to 15 or so hours OT to lose (have stolen from them) $125,000 to $175,000 or more over the 5 year term of the "agreement" AGAIN NO MENTION IN AN UPDATE. The drivers who really will be screwed are the ones who recently completed their 4 year progression working 55+ hours a week. Every one of these drivers that I have spoken with was really looking forward to OT at top wage.
The Teamsters are attempting to claim that all drivers wanted all OT eliminated. This is a misrepresentation at best. That is the VOCAL MINORITY. The Union and UPS know most drivers want OT as OT protections are already in place. The % of drivers on the 9.5 list is very low. We have FT drivers signing up for extra work every single Saturday for air driving. We also have drivers who volunteer to work the reload for OT. Over 90% of the drivers in our center are not on the 9.5 list. They want their OT. Drivers do not want their right to OT unilaterally taken away from them.
The Hybrids are getting screwed over by the Teamsters. They were NEVER asked if they wanted forced OT up to 70 hours per week with no 9.5 protection for at least the 5 year duration of the proposed "agreement" NO MENTION FROM THE TEAMSTERS AGAIN ABOUT BEING FORCED TO WORK UP TO 70 HOURS PER WEEK WITH NO PROTECTION FROM EXCESSIVE OT. Why doesn't the hybrids drivers family time matter?
Questionnaire example below for Taylor if he ever decides to end up actually asking the members what they want in this CBA. Taylor will have to ask the members what is acceptable after this CBA vote receives the impending NO VOTE. Couple simple obvious questions.
1. Part timers; Do you want to be forced to work up to 70 hours per week with no excessive OT 9.5 protection?
2. Part timers; Would you like to have the right to bid on OT if it is available? You will be forced to work over 9.5 hours only if not all staffing is met by employees who volunteer for OT.
1. Full Time Drivers; Do you want your rights to any and all OT and extra work taken away?
2. Full Time Drivers; If OT and extra work is available; Do you think you should have the right to the OT before the new hybrid drivers?
3. Full Time Drivers; Should UPS have the right to limit you to 40 hours per week even if OT is available?
Ask these questions of the entire membership and it will be extremely 1 sided answers.
From what we have been provided by the Teamsters so far; This contract (CBA) is being negotiated in bad faith. I hope we receive info that proves it is being negotiated in good faith on the teleforum on July 10th.
Maybe Taylor has only released the concessionary give back language and is holding off on the unreleased NEW GREAT Contract Language that is yet to come.
1989
Well-Known Member
UPS saves money giving out OT.
Rack em
Made the Podium
Not his point, he nor I care about what helps Ups.
1989
Well-Known Member
Why would ups not want to still give out ot if it saves them money.
browned out
Well-Known Member
Not affording OT by seniority goes against the very fabric of the union.
Stealing $150000 to $200000 without asking or informing Full Time Drivers is criminal. Shame on you Hoffa, Taylor and the rest of the company controlled yellow union.
Send out a survey before you decide to hit us with language next to no one wants.
Forcing hybrids to work up to 70 hours per week with no 9.5 protection ever is a drastic life changing event. The topic and exact specifics of the language should have been discussed and disclosed to the members months ago.
The possibility of Stealing upwards of $200000 from the Full Time Drivers should have been addressed with the members months ago.
The National Master Agreement language on these articles is complete. If the complete language is not disclosed to the members during the teleforum or shortly after; it would be an absolute violation of bargaining in good faith.
The regional and local supplements had better be able to correct and adjust this horrible 22.4 monster.
Stealing $150000 to $200000 without asking or informing Full Time Drivers is criminal. Shame on you Hoffa, Taylor and the rest of the company controlled yellow union.
Send out a survey before you decide to hit us with language next to no one wants.
Forcing hybrids to work up to 70 hours per week with no 9.5 protection ever is a drastic life changing event. The topic and exact specifics of the language should have been discussed and disclosed to the members months ago.
The possibility of Stealing upwards of $200000 from the Full Time Drivers should have been addressed with the members months ago.
The National Master Agreement language on these articles is complete. If the complete language is not disclosed to the members during the teleforum or shortly after; it would be an absolute violation of bargaining in good faith.
The regional and local supplements had better be able to correct and adjust this horrible 22.4 monster.
M
MenInBrown
Guest
For what’s its worth, our BA said our supplement is better than the master. That was a week ago. Still have not seen it. Vote NO
DELACROIX
In the Spirit of Honore' Daumier
Everybody should be asking the question to whether the General Wage Increase will be able to cover any possible cuts into your overtime. In other words can you live off a straight 40 hr workweek, if not really consider downsizing your lifestyle if this contract goes through. Browned out might be be right, it sure looks like UPS is trying to eliminate Overtime Costs with this contract.
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MenInBrown
Guest
Vote NO for the 30% paycut!
F
Frankie's Friend
Guest
Especially when it is 90+° out.
F
Frankie's Friend
Guest
Especially when they will force it onto the new drivers at a greatly reduced rate.
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