Union is done

[PiedmontSteward]

10-15 years ago or more, the parcel workers union(?) tried to make a grab, wonder if they will try again, if they are a union anymore. Seems like it would be a good time, since IBT opened the door to wide spread discontentment. Time is of the essence, because people will soon forget, and hysteria will calm down rather quickly. Even though I don't like the way this went down, I still think the teamsters are the way to go.

APWA's lawyer was a "union avoidance" specialist. Think about that for a while.

De-certification campaigns are not the way to go.

 

[upschuck]

People won't forget about this because they are living it.

And when they live it, they will see all the hysteria leading up to this was a bit overblown.

By the way, did they impose your last, best, and final offer there too?

 

[Johney]

While I would have preferred all locals had settled by vote, I will go out on a limb here and say I like the way union leaders handled this contract season. Any strike in this day in age would be paramount to employment suicide. Instead of retro checks, we would be talking unemployment checks from a bankrupt government.

I'm not 100% sure, but I doubt anybody would be getting unemployment checks for going on strike even if you lost your job from going on strike. Just saying.

 

[realbrown1]

While I would have preferred all locals had settled by vote, I will go out on a limb here and say I like the way union leaders handled this contract season. Any strike in this day in age would be paramount to employment suicide. Instead of retro checks, we would be talking unemployment checks from a bankrupt government.

So go into negotiations with UPS with the strike vote off the table.

Not good strategy if you ask me.

Not saying we should have struck, but to have the strike threat in our back pocket would have been better.

And as for you PREFERRING THAT ALL LOCALS SETTLE THEIR VOTES, that is mighty nice of you. I wonder what your attitude would have been if they settled your supplement and rider for you?

 

[rod]

Upstate, I have learned to just disagree with your entire thought process. You and I have different views on just about everything. No bad feelings, just think it is just the way you Northern people are.

OUCH!!!----Please don't associate me with the likes of upstate. That would be the ultimate insult.

 

[rod]

So go into negotiations with UPS with the strike vote off the table.

Not good strategy if you ask me.

Not saying we should have struck, but to have the strike threat in our back pocket would have been better.

And as for you PREFERRING THAT ALL LOCALS SETTLE THEIR VOTES, that is mighty nice of you. I wonder what your attitude would have been if they settled your supplement and rider for you?

agreed------authorizing a strike is the only true weapon the union has. Without that option they would be powerless.

 

[upschuck]

APWA's lawyer was a "union avoidance" specialist. Think about that for a while.

De-certification campaigns are not the way to go.

Search for APWA brings up American Public Works Association. Not what I remember who was trying to take control. They must not be around anymore. Fine with me. TDU had a page on them, and said movement was company pushed, that was from 2007.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

Long term memory will be the problem. 4 years from the membership who voted this past contract, won't remember this. The new membership voters won't even know this coup d'etat happened.

Less than 30% of the members even voted.

With such a high turn-over rate in the part-time ranks....

I heard this before by 407.

I asked him to tell me what demands that local made, then changed their demands.

He couldn't answer.

You do realize.... 407's BA is on the National committee.

Well, a lot of the IBT E-Board and other Old Guard elected officials will loose their jobs.

Rightfully so.

To who ??

Sandy couldn't even field a slate in the last election.

While I would have preferred all locals had settled by vote, I will go out on a limb here and say I like the way union leaders handled this contract season. Any strike in this day in age would be paramount to employment suicide. Instead of retro checks, we would be talking unemployment checks from a bankrupt government.

The small, and bitter group of TDU people.... can't seem to grasp this.

"There is the way it should be, and there is the way it is."

It's not 1997 anymore.



-Bug-

 

[BigUnionGuy]

Search for APWA brings up American Public Works Association. Not what I remember who was trying to take control. They must not be around anymore. Fine with me. TDU had a page on them, and said movement was company pushed, that was from 2007.

Association of Parcel Workers of America.

They were a couple of goofy feeder drivers from Local 391.

Their whole claim to fame was "saying" they could guarantee a $7000.00 a month pension.


In over 30 years of service each.... they had never even been stewards.



-Bug-

 

[PiedmontSteward]

Association of Parcel Workers of America.

They were a couple of goofy feeder drivers from Local 391.

Their whole claim to fame was "saying" they could guarantee a $7000.00 a month pension.


In over 30 years of service each.... they had never even been stewards.



-Bug-

It's hard to run for steward when you're a scab.

 

[upschuck]

Association of Parcel Workers of America.

They were a couple of goofy feeder drivers from Local 391.

Their whole claim to fame was "saying" they could guarantee a $7000.00 a month pension.


In over 30 years of service each.... they had never even been stewards.



-Bug-

I guess they could put us all into the BOG, too?

 

[ups clerk]

Long term memory will be the problem. 4 years from the membership who voted this past contract, won't remember this. The new membership voters won't even know this coup d'etat happened.

 

[Johnny Paycheck]

People won't forget about this because they are living it.

Okay, it isn't 9/11. People will go on with their lives. There is no "Never Forget."

"I remember exactly where I was when... they passed the 2013 contract."

 

[ups clerk]

I disagree with the long term memory. Once the election comes around again Sandie Pope and the guy from Louisville will, in an all out blitz, pull out all the stops by reminding everybody about this contract . Hall better not even think about making a campaign stop in Louisville. What is he going to say, "Vote for me. I gave you a great contract." He will be run out of town.

 

[Ashell]

It will soon go through a huge transition and you will see new leadership that feels much like you.

If you compare the teamsters to the government, in that they both vote on what is best, studies show you would be incorrect. Basically it doesn't matter who leadership is, they will sell us out because the company will offer them an incentive to do so. What we should do is petition/write letters to your officials and the government for disclosure of union officials financials just like politicians. Which would make the companies job harder to sell us out.
Major Study Finds The US Is An Oligarchy

 

[The Milkman]

So go into negotiations with UPS with the strike vote off the table.

Not good strategy if you ask me.

Not saying we should have struck, but to have the strike threat in our back pocket would have been better.

And as for you PREFERRING THAT ALL LOCALS SETTLE THEIR VOTES, that is mighty nice of you. I wonder what your attitude would have been if they settled your supplement and rider for you?

Just let UPS give you what they want, no votes anymore because they don't matter anyway with spineless Union leadership..In fact lets not give raises but give back some of your hourly wages. How does that sound? Ups is causing division amongst the Union, it is working because as I have read on a lot of subjects on the board, most are concerned about their retro checks instead of the sad shape of the Union which was stronger in the past. Now just a watered down version of Strong leadership that at one time made The Teamsters a power to be reckoned with. Now folding like a house of cards because UPS calls the shots now

 

[Wally]

Upstate, I have learned to just disagree with your entire thought process. You and I have different views on just about everything. No bad feelings, just think it is just the way you
Northern people are.

"You northern people"?

As a proud NJ union member, you sir, have insulted my honor!

 

[3 done 3 to go]

Well, a lot of the IBT E-Board and other Old Guard elected officials will loose their jobs.

Rightfully so.

One can only hope. Time will tell

 

[STLFeeder]

http://www.gopetition.com/petitions...hoffa-and-general-executive-board-of-ibt.html

 

[Ouch]

Why is everyone so cynical? Keep your union dues! shows how supportive of the union you really are!

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But reaching a decision this way also shows you what your current union leaders thank of you.