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OpenYourEyes

New Member
Nervous Nelly? The sky fell already brother... Just look at the backlog and the EB's track record. The language is there to protect us, but the company will abuse it.

Times are different. To be fair, I believe in Howie was still in the hall, we'd have a supplement that is a bigger mess than this one.

Drivers laid off out in the island? How come we run helper loads out here in boroughs year round?

Drivers being told they are not making seniority in Island City because they're not scratching when they've already accumulated more than enough days?

Combo jobs going unfilled for years now?

Discipline for DOK related stuff?

Production harassment at 43rd St?

The list goes on, don't give UPS more language to "interpret."
 

teamster 804

Well-Known Member
Sorry to hear that even though you called me an a hole maybe you should have followed the rules, maybe you did, maybe you didnt not my business.I seem to have no problem using my medical it seems to work fine,not happy about the higher co pays or the fact that my retiree medical went up.But i guess that is the price to pay being blindsided by previous board that the books were fine.This board was handed this mess!!!! That is why we are where we are today.All you guys that are part of the Helen Keller fan club for the blind should open your eyes.Mismanaged medical for years brought this crap onto our membership not current board.Like i said before and i am saying it again they fixed our medical.Now it is time to fix our pension,no increase in 15 years by previous board even tried to cut 25 and out, do you ever ask yourself why.For once since our last three supplements the members are getting something in our supplement.Last three supplements got us jack!! Why all this B/S Guys on here make comments about the future of this local,maybe you should open your eyes to what we were being dealt with in the past.
 
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teamster 804

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Pete M for president, dump Tim S before it's to late! Vote no, vote no, vote no, vote no, vote no, vote no, vote no, vote no, vote no!
Tom we all voted yes already the envelopes are on there way to to be counted.And Pete cant run yet if he wanted to, we are voting on our supplement buddy.I didnt see a box for Pete to be checked.Did you mail an election ballot by mistake.
 

bigd

Well-Known Member
VOTE NO UPDATE...

"Union Rift Poses Test for UPS

Despite Teamsters Deal, Company Is Still in Talks With Local Units as Peak Shipping Season Nears

United Parcel Service Inc. UPS +0.13% is caught in a rift between the leadership of the Teamsters union and its rank-and-file members over labor contracts, a development that could unnerve corporate shippers and hurt its holiday shipping business.

UPS's labor issues were supposed to be mostly settled in June, when the company's domestic package-delivery employees—a majority of its U.S. workers— approved a new five-year national master contract that included wage increases as well as revised health and pension benefits.
But UPS is still negotiating separately with many local bargaining units across the country—over issues like health-care benefits, wages for part-timers and restricting overtime.

The International Brotherhood of Teamsters represents about 249,000 employees of UPS's 323,000 full- and part-time domestic workers. About 235,000 of those are covered by the master contract. That contract cannot take effect until 16 supplemental agreements and riders are negotiated and approved.

One of the dissatisfied groups is Teamsters Local 89, a critical part of UPS's operation because of both its size and locale. Local 89 represents about 10,000 employees in Louisville, Ky., who work at or close to UPS's Worldport, the giant automated package hub that sorts and processes 1.6 million packages daily.

Separately, UPS also has to negotiate a contract for its freight division, since the first attempt was rejected in June.
The timing is tricky for UPS, which is heading into its peak holiday shipping season.

Andy McGowan, director of global media relations at UPS, said it's still "business as usual" at the shipper. The company and the Teamsters have agreed to indefinite contract extensions as it resolves the outstanding issues, he said. "We continue to make progress."

Customer anxiety over UPS's unsettled labor issues hurts business. "Any time there's friction between hourly workers and management, it doesn't sit well with customers," said Keith Byrd, co-founder of Transportation Impact LLC, which audits and negotiates on behalf of shippers. "There's a three-way thing going on here. The more commotion and skepticism there is, the more customers will start worrying again."

Corporate shippers are spooked by labor negotiations because they think it could result in possible slowdowns or interruptions—at worse a strike— that might delay their packages.

Even when labor talks were going smoothly earlier this year, UPS customers were hedging their bets. The company's volume growth in the second quarter was "a little less than we expected," Chief ExecutiveScott Davis told analysts in an earnings call. In a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission, the company cited labor negotiations with the Teamsters for its "hindered volume growth" in the quarter.
In Louisville, Local 89 is urging its members to "Vote No Again" on its latest regional supplement. Ballots are due back on Oct. 9.

"We think the international union did a very poor job," said Local 89 President Fred Z. He said among other things the proposed health changes for many of his members added expense, cut benefits and created disparity among workers.

"They didn't meet or even understand the needs of the employees." Mr. Zuckerman said he believes "we have a bigger fight with the international union than we do with the company."

Ken P, national organizer for a dissident teamster group called Teamsters for a Democratic Union, said its part of a "rank-and-file rebellion." He said "this has been a pretty big earthquake in the union and at the company."

Leigh Strope, a Teamsters spokeswoman, said the union is "working through an internal democratic process"—hearing members concerns and addressing them. "The process takes time," she said.

Ms. Strope acknowledged there has been confusion and misinformation about the new health-care plans, but said the union has made improvements and "most concerns have been alleviated now."

She called the contract the "best private-sector labor contract in the country," noting it includes raises of almost $4 an hour, creates 2,500 new full-time jobs and contains many new job protections.

Though approved, the national master contract cannot go into effect until all of the outstanding issues with the locals are settled, according to UPS.

Both UPS and the Teamsters can agree to continue the contract extensions indefinitely. UPS doesn't like to, though, according to a former executive who asked not to be named, because UPS believes it gives FedEx Corp. the opportunity to try to woo UPS customers to spread their risk or switch to FedEx. The vast majority of FedEx's workforce is nonunion.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...3071924.html?KEYWORDS=UPS#articleTabs=article



Write to Betsy Morris at [email protected]
A version of this article appeared October 1, 2013, on page B1 in the U.S. edition of The Wall Street Journal, with the headline: Union Rift Poses Test for UPS.
Copyright 2012 Dow Jones & Company, Inc. All Rights Reserved
 

fedupups

Well-Known Member
No problem with a pension increase as this is desperately needed...don't think giving VCD's is a fair trade for $300/month...UPS has a 10 to 20 plus year plan at these contract talks...our union for whatever reason (and the pass slate included)...only think about now...that's the problem...If VCDs were off the table this supplement would pass fairly easy I believe...As far as medical I hope no one here has to have a family member etc go to emergency surgery...but if that's the case the Union should cover these bills besides deductibles...elective surgery is different...when u r told to go to the nearest hospital asap this should be covered regardless of out/in network....as it was for me hospital covered...but there were other circumstances out of my control that apparently wasn't covered...regardless these bills should all be paid...someone said my post was embarrassing to me more embarrassing is the president of the Union boasting about $35 million in medical fund while teamsters are in collections...would rather have him say we have $15 million and everyones legitimate bills r getting paid...that's what a leader should do
 

bigd

Well-Known Member
No problem with a pension increase as this is desperately needed...don't think giving VCD's is a fair trade for $300/month...UPS has a 10 to 20 plus year plan at these contract talks...our union for whatever reason (and the pass slate included)...only think about now...that's the problem...If VCDs were off the table this supplement would pass fairly easy I believe...As far as medical I hope no one here has to have a family member etc go to emergency surgery...but if that's the case the Union should cover these bills besides deductibles...elective surgery is different...when u r told to go to the nearest hospital asap this should be covered regardless of out/in network....as it was for me hospital covered...but there were other circumstances out of my control that apparently wasn't covered...regardless these bills should all be paid...someone said my post was embarrassing to me more embarrassing is the president of the Union boasting about $35 million in medical fund while teamsters are in collections...would rather have him say we have $15 million and everyones legitimate bills r getting paid...that's what a leader should do

I agree they are thinking about the moment!

Ups pays an avg 9,139,000 hours yearly to full timers in local804, that is about $318,691,360 on payroll yearly! Now with the introduction of VCDs they are projecting to save $30,000,000 yearly by reducing over time.

I know, Tim and co. Are telling you that they put protections on TA to protect over time, right!
I ask where in our contract saids that over time is guarantee?... And what arbitrator is going to force ups to give over time?!

Vote no!
 

teamster 804

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I agree they are thinking about the moment!

Ups pays an avg 9,139,000 hours yearly to full timers in local804, that is about $318,691,360 on payroll yearly! Now with the introduction of VCDs they are projecting to save $30,000,000 yearly by reducing over time. Just for curiosity how long has it been that full time helpers were put into effect,also when did it go into effect that part timers from local sort and preload were allowed to go out as helpers on a regular basis.Also my understanding of VCDS are they cannott be used to cut overtime 30 million really,only for a driver on a 9.5 that wants relief from O/T, they are used to cover vacation routes only.Something else i am curious about is in the summertime and other times of the year when volume is lighter, all those drivers that are calling from the parking lots in the morning or from home to see if the center is over drivers so they can stay home, a practice that i have seen for years.Isnt it true that there is no money going into pension on there behalf.So lets see full time helpers and helpers from local sort and preload working now that must be cutting into overtime now.That dont seem to be a problem!!! Drivers going home scheduled off for years with no money going into pension.Not a problem.But VCDS to cover vacations is such a big problem we are going to walk away from a 400 dollar pension increase.I must be missing something but anyone who thinks this supplement is a bad deal,you either have another agenda or you need to have your heads examined,when you go for the exam just make sure the doctor is in the plan,so that is no ranting and raving how you were not covered.

I know, Tim and co. Are telling you that they put protections on TA to protect over time, right!
I ask where in our contract saids that over time is guarantee?... And what arbitrator is going to force ups to give over time?!

Vote no!
 

teamster 804

Well-Known Member
Just for curiosity how long has it been that full time helpers were put into effect,also when did it go into effect that part timers from local sort and preload were allowed to go out as helpers on a regular basis.Also my understanding of VCDS are they cannott be used to cut overtime 30 million really,only for a driver on a 9.5 that wants relief from O/T, they are used to cover vacation routes only.Something else i am curious about is in the summertime and other times of the year when volume is lighter, all those drivers that are calling from the parking lots in the morning or from home to see if the center is over drivers so they can stay home, a practice that i have seen for years.Isnt it true that there is no money going into pension on there behalf.So lets see full time helpers and helpers from local sort and preload working now that must be cutting into overtime now.That dont seem to be a problem!!! Drivers going home scheduled off for years with no money going into pension.Not a problem.But VCDS to cover vacations is such a big problem we are going to walk away from a 400 dollar pension increase.I must be missing something but anyone who thinks this supplement is a bad deal,you either have another agenda or you need to have your heads examined,when you go for the exam just make sure the doctor is in the plan,so that is no ranting and raving how you were not covered.
 

joseph

Well-Known Member
Sorry to hear that even though you called me an a hole maybe you should have followed the rules, maybe you did, maybe you didnt not my business.I seem to have no problem using my medical it seems to work fine,not happy about the higher co pays or the fact that my retiree medical went up.But i guess that is the price to pay being blindsided by previous board that the books were fine.This board was handed this mess!!!! That is why we are where we are today.All you guys that are part of the Helen Keller fan club for the blind should open your eyes.Mismanaged medical for years brought this crap onto our membership not current board.Like i said before and i am saying it again they fixed our medical.Now it is time to fix our pension,no increase in 15 years by previous board even tried to cut 25 and out, do you ever ask yourself why.For once since our last three supplements the members are getting something in our supplement.Last three supplements got us jack!! Why all this B/S Guys on here make comments about the future of this local,maybe you should open your eyes to what we were being dealt with in the past.
You just don't realize what you lost, you voted for this board now learn to live on your knees, you lost the right to complain, when you voted for Tim S, say what you want about the old E/B 1200 members would still be working if they were still here. VOTE NO!
 

teamster 804

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You just don't realize what you lost, you voted for this board now learn to live on your knees, you lost the right to complain, when you voted for Tim S, say what you want about the old E/B 1200 members would still be working if they were still here. VOTE NO!
Bro you are the true definition of a REBEL WITHOUT A CLUE!!!!
 
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UNBELIEVABLE

Active Member
read whats really going on if you can get a hold of oct 1, 2013 news paper marketplace. Read the union rift poses test for ups....how local 89 is dissatisfied with the intl and ups. How he has his local voting no, tim and co. Needs to open his eyes and stop siding with ups for a $300 bonus for vcd....vote hell no/////this sticks tim..what a damn shame you are pushing yes......get out of town you clown...i urge no vote...
 

804brown

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read whats really going on if you can get a hold of oct 1, 2013 news paper marketplace. Read the union rift poses test for ups....how local 89 is dissatisfied with the intl and ups. How he has his local voting no, tim and co. Needs to open his eyes and stop siding with ups for a $300 bonus for vcd....vote hell no/////this sticks tim..what a damn shame you are pushing yes......get out of town you clown...i urge no vote...
Why would the president of local 89 who NEGOTIATED HIS OWN SUPPLEMENT want to have his membership vote no?? I can understand a no vote on the National Master, but on HIS OWN SUPPLEMENT?? Hmm
As for our local, go ahead keep shooting down good supplements. When Hoffa then takes over bargaining for us in local 804, you're gonna think quite differently!!
 

joseph

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Ken H and Hoffa did great for the P/T medical, team care is much better then what Tim S is giving full time members. I'll take my chance with Hoffa Hall.
 

teamster 804

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Ken H and Hoffa did great for the P/T medical, team care is much better then what Tim S is giving full time members. I'll take my chance with Hoffa Hall.
You tell them Tom,maybe you should run for president of the local next time around.You seem to have some really fresh ideas on where we should be headed.Ohh no but you already nominated Pete M for president in an earlier post.Ahh i guess you two guys could work something out,maybe like one president and one president junior.
 

804brown

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Ken H and Hoffa did great for the P/T medical, team care is much better then what Tim S is giving full time members. I'll take my chance with Hoffa Hall.
So they "did great"?? Part timers REBELLED against what hoffa hall did!! It took 18 supplements to be shot down to PRESSURE them to fix WHAT THEY BROKE!! Also Im not so sure the part timers will be so happy in that last year of the contract either. As for "taking my chance with hoffa- hall" (the Undynamic Duo, the co- owners of the Teamster Concession Stand), GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!!
 
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