It came down to 2 issues, misunderstood healthcare and TDU's push to strike.
Union Politics - 804 members coming soon agitator 2
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There is a lot of E/B in-fighting, they are blaming each other for lack of leadership. The E/B knows this last supplement will be voted down. They realized the mistake they made, not taking leadership in contract talk with UPS. They know UPS bamboozled them into thinking this was the best supplement contract in local 804 history. This board made a lot of terrible mistakes, one is firing the lawyers and replacing them with a TDU lawyer, resulting in 1200 members fired. The fat cat didn't help any, except their ego. Destroying our H/W fund, 70% members on collection. All that money going into the H/W fund is coming from the members $20.00 dollar co-pay, UPS has not put in a dime. B/C & B/S Anaheim is the worst coverage you can get. Ask the receptionist next time you see your doctor. The E/B has someone that response to truthful negative post all day, and he gets paid with our union dues. Ask yourself how is the E/B buying all this wonderful toys if they took a pay cut. Holmes suit are valued over $3,000.00 thousand dollars, the sox alone are $100.00 bucks. They pulled the biggest scam of all times, with the help of the TDU, they put out lies about the old E/B. Remember this one, Howie stoled 30 million from the H/W fund, there would be a criminal investigation if Tim S and his board won, that Howie would be arrested . VOTE NO!
teamster 804
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Hey Tom if your dream comes true and this supplement is voted down and we lose our 400 dollar pension increase,if someone asks you how did you guys make out with your supplement.What is it that you are going to tell them.WELL WE DID IT HOORAY!!!We have accomplished to get nothing in our supplement for the last four contracts YEAH!!!that is what we got!! But we saved our local!!!even though our local for years has been mismanaged to the point our medical was broke, our pension was mismanaged to the point previous board tried to take 25 and out away our annuity was mismanaged to the point it seemed to never earn any interest.Besides the fact members coming up empty the last three supplements previous board negotiated.But it is time to step up and save our local!!!! Keep up the good work buddy and guess what if it does get voted out i will bet you will be the first one on here looking to blame current board that they failed and we got nothing in our supplement.
Make up your mind dude! Is it 4 or 3 last contract? lol. Your lie so much you can even keep up with yourself.
You really have no clue at all. You do have a vivid imagination though.When you retire, you truly have a calling in writing fiction!!
"Infighting"?? Nonsense. You sound like management's wet dream when you speak of infighting.
As for being "bamboozled", our pension is finally going to hit $4,000. We were bamboozled in 2002 and 2007. I wish it was like $4500 or 5000 myself, but it is the actuaries which basically dictate what is possible and doable. Getting 150 new Full time jobs is not being bamboozled. We got more full time jobs THAN ANY OTHER LOCAL!! Please.
As for the old lawyers, oh yeah the ones that lost Liam's precedent setting arbitration and cost 3 times the current lawyers, NO THANKS. Howie and Buhlert went bye bye along with those overpaid, useless suits!! "1200 members fired"??? Fiction!!
As for the Fat Cat "not helping", who knows...but they tried using it to rally the members around important union issues. You know...stuff the old board NEVER DID!!
The H/W fund was going broke in jan 2010, when the new board took over. They did the fiscally responsible thing. Did our co pays go up, yes!! If howie and buhlert were responsible officials, they would have told the membership the truth before their re-election. If they cared about the funds instead of their own re-election, they would have done something about it BEFORE the election. That was not CORRUPTION...that was just not living up to their fiduciary responsibility as union officers.
No one gets paid to go on brown cafe. I wish someone was...they need a good spokesman. It would save me the effort of researching and writing this myself!!
We have UPS against the ropes, I believe hard working members deserve a hell of a lot more then a MAYBE $300.00 bucks. We deserve the minimum of $500.00 dollars guarantee not a proposal. And don't tell me the 300 hundred is a guarantee, the E/B put it on their web site, and it states "PROPOSAL". We can not take it to the bank unless it's definite! As far as the other B/S your pushing, no one believes you lying SOB,s anymore, we have the proof, 70% of members on medical collection. 1200 members fired, every supervisors work and no grievances filed because if we file a grievance, not only don't you get paid but UPS doubles down on harassment and the union does nothing to help you. I will keep up the good work, not only for pricks like you who want the members to close their eyes and vote yes, but also the company. A manager was telling me this week, he over heard me tell a P/T member to VOTE NO and why you should VOTE NO, I asked him if my union told him to talk to me, he laughed at me and said no. I asked him why is the union and the company both pushing this supplements and he said, the company wants part time drivers, that the company could do a whole lot of work with them and members would not be complaining about too much over time. I told him I was going to notify the IRB. And he told me, lets just forget about what I said, okay. VOTE NO!
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teamster 804
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I tell it like it is dude!! no lies here. 3 SUPPLEMENTS negotiated by last board.This supplement will make the 4th supplement that our members wind up with
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teamster 804
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The ropes that is great!!! What a J/O i am done debating this B/S with you its not worth my time.Enjoy your trip to Disney Land tell Mickey and Minnie i said hello!!
First of all local804 supplemental 97-02 as done by Ron Carey, So yeah your are a Lier!!
UNBELIEVABLE
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I heard the word out of 43st is that a part timer was approached by Dave friend on friday and ask if he had received his ballot yet, Dave told the part timer that he has an extra ballot with him and that he would urge him to vote yes and is willing to mail it for him......why and how would this be possible? Is it possible the E/B have-absentee ballots. If this is true what can happen to Dave Fennel and this board..
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So miraculously somehow Dave friend has IBT generated ballot packs with every L804 members return address label in his possesion. Now that would be unbelievable. The IBT, not the locals, control all ballots. Any returned ballot without the verifiable computer generated return address will not be counted.
It's not possible "Unbelievable" because it didn't happen, so nothing will happen to Dave or the board. Did you eat some bad mushrooms, or are you guys getting that desperate?
He's Breaking Dumb!!
teamster 804
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LOCAL 804 Supplement has been approved 63%vote yes vote count 1885 to 1098 Congratulaions to all my brothers and sisters.Our pension increase is well deserved after being ignored all these years.
Karma is a bitch
Be careful what you say
Sad day. Poor brain washed 804 members. I voted NO. Can't believe it passed. Oh well, don't cry, this place is going down the drain. UPS is the new titanic. The tightest ship in the shipping business is sinking
teamster 804
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Sad day i will give you some definitions of sad days, it was a sad day when previous board tried to eliminate 25 and out because pension was so mismanaged,that was a sad day!! It was a sad day when current board raised our medical co pays and retiree health care co pay, because our medical was so mismanaged by previous board, and it was in the toilet. So we all are suffering now because it was not managed properly,and the saddest day in our locals history is when we lost Ron Carey god rest his soul.Because that is when our local went down the drain as you say.If a 400 dollar pension increase,and a medical that is fully funded is a sad day to you than you need some history lessons brother or a seeing eye dog because you are blind.
OffRoutesPay
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Sure is quiet here lol.... Well well bye bye Billy your done wait for your pension increase and kiss your fat fanny GOODBYE you are done, the circus has won,,,, you told me that there is no way to get a pension increase, they Tim is lying to the members.
You will go down in 804 history as nothing a waste of time.
Look what these clowns (as u called them) did for the members of 804, something you could not even dream would come true...
To Tim and crew great job... Now when do I get my 10 % medical money back... Lol
You will go down in 804 history as nothing a waste of time.
Look what these clowns (as u called them) did for the members of 804, something you could not even dream would come true...
To Tim and crew great job... Now when do I get my 10 % medical money back... Lol
I agree Buhlert is finished. He worked to undermine the first vote and succeeded. But lets face it...the members voted yes on basically the same supplement they voted no on in June!! I said it back in june to put out the same supplement for a Re-vote because the some members were confused about the National No vote and our supplement. Also, the part timers got a better deal on their health care which turned around all those previous no votes!!
My view is lots of members let off some steam and wanted to lash out at UPS. They voted no JUST TO VOTE NO. But they came to their senses and used some common sense and said ok, yes the board delivered for us...time to act like an adult and do the right thing!!
Thank you Tim and especially thank you Liam for all your hard work!!
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