Union Politics - 804 members coming soon agitator 2

[joseph]

Stop crying its over Tim and company control the part timers, this board will be in office for a very long time. Turns out that Tim is way smarter then anyone from the old board. I don't think he's a good President but he knows how to run elections. 1800 to 1000 , 300 hundred no votes turned to yes votes 800 more members voter after Tim and company hit all the buildings. All that people will remember in 2 years that Tim got 804 a pension raise after 12 years of nothing. Billy said it couldn't be done.... Guess what,, Billy's DONE..... So cry all you want it doesn't matter ........

1200 members lost their job since your Buddha has been in office, we went from the best medical to members on collection, the biggest co-pay in 804 history. Our retire members paying one fifth of their monthly pension for medical. Yes Howie was voted out with the help of UPS telling members to vote row B. and TDU taking over our local.
The price of education is expensive, but the price of ignorance is much higher!

 

[joseph]

You, my friend, have no clue as to what is needed to maintain and grow the fund. Actuarys have blessed this increase because the negotiated money is sufficient.

And we the members are paying for it with our 0.15 cents give back to UPS. The company played this local like three card monte. Fools and jokers are running this local and members are paying the price.

 

[bigd]

Genius, the Bush Crash happened in 2008 but remember the pension having to be cut under Redmond/Buhlert back in 2006?? Now THAT was mismanagement by far!!
As for Tim and co., when they came into office, the Funds were at $650 million. Now we have $911 million. I dont call that mismanagement!!

LIE!!!
Local 804/447 funding back on 2010 were:
Valuation date. 1/1/2010
Value assets $817,545,131
Funded %. 70.2%
Value liabilities $1,163,990,553
Go to www.dol.gov and see it yourself.

 

[804brown]

Howie is not in office and we all suffer! This E/B sandbagged the friend/T members by first having a P/T general meeting only and secondly lying to them, if they did not pass this second vote they would lose their medical improvements. Parking lot meetings for weeks were geared to P/T members only, drilling them on a yes vote . Row B members, wait six months, your tune will change, this is the biggest give away in local 804 history and friend/T work will suffer.

Imagine that: union leaders that dont ignore their part timers. Leaders that have special meetings to inform their members on things that might affect them. Leaders that take time out from THEIR OWN FAMILIES to have ANOTHER meeting and answer questions. You are right Howie is not in office. But maybe a reason he and Buhlert are no longer in office is because they ignored part timers and took them for granted.
Yeah "wait six months" and FT members who retire will now get $3900/month as a pension!!
Speaking of "the biggest giveaway in local 804 history", what do you call the Redmond/Buhlert giveaway of 25 and out, no coffee for new hires, and that .10 cents crap in the 2007 contract??

 

[804brown]

1200 members lost their job since your Buddha has been in office, we went from the best medical to members on collection, the biggest co-pay in 804 history. Our retire members paying one fifth of their monthly pension for medical. Yes Howie was voted out with the help of UPS telling members to vote row B. and TDU taking over our local.
The price of education is expensive, but the price of ignorance is much higher!

"The biggest copay in 804 history"?? Well redmond/buhlert ALSO doubled copays when they were in charge too (from $5 to $10). The only reason Tim and co had to raise copays was because the old board didnt negotiate enough money in their last weak contract!!
So you really think members would vote Row B because "of UPS telling members to vote row B"?? LOL!! I think we would all vote the opposite of what management recommends, genius!!
I do agree with your line about the price of education and ignorance. We as a membership were too lazy and ignorant and we allowed the old board to stay in power for way too long while making $150k a year!! Granted this membership has a long way to go to get really educated, but at least our new board holds education seminars and holds more parking lot meetings. If TDU is part of educating this membership than so be it. We in Local 804 have always welcomed TDU...even Ron Carey!!

 

[member6045]

Imagine that: union leaders that dont ignore their part timers. Leaders that have special meetings to inform their members on things that might affect them. Leaders that take time out from THEIR OWN FAMILIES to have ANOTHER meeting and answer questions. You are right Howie is not in office. But maybe a reason he and Buhlert are no longer in office is because they ignored part timers and took them for granted.
Yeah "wait six months" and FT members who retire will now get $3900/month as a pension!!
Speaking of "the biggest giveaway in local 804 history", what do you call the Redmond/Buhlert giveaway of 25 and out, no coffee for new hires, and that .10 cents crap in the 2007 contract??

You lying to part timers during your tenure is the only thing shameful! You did absolutely nothing for them in the issues if hourly rate, healthcare and pension! But they bought your lies! Along with the people that sold your agenda to get old timers a raise! YOU used them! Now they want there raises and you have NO answers for them!!!

The 25 and out issue came about bye the trustees!! Ups knew that local 447 president would vote with them!! 447 had there own deal working! So a vote was cast and accrual rate was cut! ITS called a reduction of benefits!! Remember the phrase! History always repeats itself. As I stated earlier? Howie and Magrene crafted a deal that made ups have keep the accrual rate at $144.00 dollars!! This meant that even if the investments did horrible!! The company had to put money in to keep that $144.00 accrual rate in place!!! That was for the life of the contract! It was originally thought that it was 18 million dollars but market began to fall and there where years of over 25 million dollars where pumped into this local yearly!! Meanwhile our current contract falls short of these numbers even in a stock market that has been working at peak performance and funding relief giving pension funds a break on return investments from bad years! Aka! Kicking the can down the road for today's part timers to have major problems when they one day become full time.

 

[member6045]

"The biggest copay in 804 history"?? Well redmond/buhlert ALSO doubled copays when they were in charge too (from $5 to $10). The only reason Tim and co had to raise copays was because the old board didnt negotiate enough money in their last weak contract!!
So you really think members would vote Row B because "of UPS telling members to vote row B"?? LOL!! I think we would all vote the opposite of what management recommends, genius!!
I do agree with your line about the price of education and ignorance. We as a membership were too lazy and ignorant and we allowed the old board to stay in power for way too long while making $150k a year!! Granted this membership has a long way to go to get really educated, but at least our new board holds education seminars and holds more parking lot meetings. If TDU is part of educating this membership than so be it. We in Local 804 have always welcomed TDU...even Ron Carey!!

It's amazing! I guess your the first Executive board ever that has to deal with rising healthcare cost, emergency room visits and out of network care!!! Until government fixes that every union will have problems funding! Look what you have done to us!

20.00 copay
20.00 lab work
20.00 x rays
??? Prescriptions
Collections for 4- 10 full time members are in collections for a medical bill.

What happened to keeping money in the members pocket!!! UPS made record profits last quarter!! You did not negotiate enough money either??

 

[fedupups]

Yeah "wait six months" and FT members who retire will now get $3900/month as a pension!!

Yeah wait 6 months and see how many full-timers get laid off in non-summer months due to VCD's because our board couldn't get an increase without selling out lower-mid seniority drivers

 

[bigd]

Imagine that: union leaders that dont ignore their part timers. Leaders that have special meetings to inform their members on things that might affect them. Leaders that take time out from THEIR OWN FAMILIES to have ANOTHER meeting and answer questions. You are right Howie is not in office. But maybe a reason he and Buhlert are no longer in office is because they ignored part timers and took them for granted.
Yeah "wait six months" and FT members who retire will now get $3900/month as a pension!!
Speaking of "the biggest giveaway in local 804 history", what do you call the Redmond/Buhlert giveaway of 25 and out, no coffee for new hires, and that .10 cents crap in the 2007 contract??

Wait fix months right?! LOL!!! To all those brothers and sisters that have 25 full time years don't retire thinking that you would get an extra $300 in six months?
Whatever happen with we gotta vote yes to get increase January 1.
Remember once you retire you don't vote anymore and this Eboard do everything thinking about next elections!
So once you go this Eboard wouldn't think twice to screw you! Just like Tim and co. DID with retirees health care!!!

 

[member6045]

"the biggest copay in 804 history"?? Well redmond/buhlert also doubled copays when they were in charge too (from $5 to $10). The only reason tim and co had to raise copays was because the old board didnt negotiate enough money in their last weak contract!!
So you really think members would vote row b because "of ups telling members to vote row b"?? Lol!! I think we would all vote the opposite of what management recommends, genius!!
I do agree with your line about the price of education and ignorance. We as a membership were too lazy and ignorant and we allowed the old board to stay in power for way too long while making $150k a year!! Granted this membership has a long way to go to get really educated, but at least our new board holds education seminars and holds more parking lot meetings. If tdu is part of educating this membership than so be it. We in local 804 have always welcomed tdu...even ron carey!!

ron carey used tdu for his run to washington!!!! Never in 804!!! He knew they where wackos!! Then he ditched the organization when he got in office of the ibt!

 

[804brown]

You lying to part timers during your tenure is the only thing shameful! You did absolutely nothing for them in the issues if hourly rate, healthcare and pension! But they bought your lies! Along with the people that sold your agenda to get old timers a raise! YOU used them! Now they want there raises and you have NO answers for them!!!
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What are these lies you speak of?? They told the part timers the truth: the raises were from the international...not the supplement. The changes in the healthcare were from the International ...not the supplement. What lies!! You criticize the union because they explain how the contract is negotiated and the changes that were made to restore what was taken away?? As for us waiting for our raises, well we ALL have to wait. Again, not a fault of our board.Just try and get over the fact that it passed. It is over, move on and be part of the solution!!

 

[804brown]

It's amazing! I guess your the first Executive board ever that has to deal with rising healthcare cost, emergency room visits and out of network care!!! Until government fixes that every union will have problems funding! Look what you have done to us!

20.00 copay
20.00 lab work
20.00 x rays
??? Prescriptions
Collections for 4- 10 full time members are in collections for a medical bill.

What happened to keeping money in the members pocket!!! UPS made record profits last quarter!! You did not negotiate enough money either??

Co-pays have been at $20 since 2010...OLD NEWS!! This new board did raise the co-pays....they ran for re-election...and won re-election. Membership understands costs go up and people were using emergency rooms wrongly which cost the plan too much money. Membership accepts the higher co-pays...stuff goes up...the problem is bigger than 804. It is a national problem!! Woman in my doctor's office had a $50 co-pay the other day!! $50!!
Actually, this board DID negotiate enough money .... while other locals got only $1...we are getting $2.60!! We got that NOT BY KISSING HOFFA'S ASS like redmond/buhlert did all those years. We got more by saying NO to concessions and selling out the members!! All those years of redmond being on Hoffa's Intl negotiating committee GOT US NOTHING!! Tim and his crew stood by their membership and even backed sandy pope and shoved it in hoffa's face....and we got more than any of those ass kissing locals!! We are getting a nice increase in our pensions and over 150 new FT jobs as well as an expedited grievance procedure!! That is what you get when your local stands up to Hoffa's weakness and UPS wallet!!

 

[804brown]

Yeah "wait six months" and FT members who retire will now get $3900/month as a pension!!

Yeah wait 6 months and see how many full-timers get laid off in non-summer months due to VCD's because our board couldn't get an increase without selling out lower-mid seniority drivers

Wake up!! In my building drivers have been laid off in Feb, March every year for at least 5 years now!! They all have to work out of Foster or Maspeth for awhile. That is why these guys take some of their vacations in those months to avoid those problems. Again, other locals use VCDs and hell hasnt broke lose in their locals. Just the same scare tactics by the sky is falling crew!!

 

[member6045]

Co-pays have been at $20 since 2010...OLD NEWS!! This new board did raise the co-pays....they ran for re-election...and won re-election. Membership understands costs go up and people were using emergency rooms wrongly which cost the plan too much money. Membership accepts the higher co-pays...stuff goes up...the problem is bigger than 804. It is a national problem!! Woman in my doctor's office had a $50 co-pay the other day!! $50!!
Actually, this board DID negotiate enough money .... while other locals got only $1...we are getting $2.60!! We got that NOT BY KISSING HOFFA'S ASS like redmond/buhlert did all those years. We got more by saying NO to concessions and selling out the members!! All those years of redmond being on Hoffa's Intl negotiating committee GOT US NOTHING!! Tim and his crew stood by their membership and even backed sandy pope and shoved it in hoffa's face....and we got more than any of those ass kissing locals!! We are getting a nice increase in our pensions and over 150 new FT jobs as well as an expedited grievance procedure!! That is what you get when your local stands up to Hoffa's weakness and UPS wallet!!

That lady you speak of doesn't work for a company who made record profits last quarter? So let's be real! You didn't get enough money! Do stop the bs save it for another forum. I still can't believe you asked a republican to help you fix your healthcare issues! I don't think there is a republican elected official who would go on record saying he thinks unions are good for america. Isn't his local sucking wind also??? Here we go again! Local 804 following! Not leading.

 

[804brown]

ron carey used tdu for his run to washington!!!! Never in 804!!! He knew they where wackos!! Then he ditched the organization when he got in office of the ibt!

Ron Carey had 10 TDU members on his slate when he ran in 1991 *!! DO you think they disappeared when he went to Washington?? They help to run our Intl and organize and mobilize the membership for the 1997 strike!! Ron even brought Tim and Jim, TDU supporters with him to Washington (Tim as an Intl Organizer and Jim to help with negotiations with UPS). He also attended every TDU convention until he left office!! So again, stop the fiction!!

 

[804brown]

That lady you speak of doesn't work for a company who made record profits last quarter? So let's be real! You didn't get enough money! Do stop the bs save it for another forum. I still can't believe you asked a republican to help you fix your healthcare issues! I don't think there is a republican elected official who would go on record saying he thinks unions are good for america. Isn't his local sucking wind also??? Here we go again! Local 804 following! Not leading.

I agree on the point of mccaffrey of Local 707 . I know that Tim goes back with him to the Ron Carey years in Washington. I was surprised to find out he was running as a repub. I dont get it!! Seems like a confused soul to me.

 

[member6045]

Ron Carey had 10 TDU members on his slate when he ran in 1991 *!! DO you think they disappeared when he went to Washington?? They help to run our Intl and organize and mobilize the membership for the 1997 strike!! Ron even brought Tim and Jim, TDU supporters with him to Washington (Tim as an Intl Organizer and Jim to help with negotiations with UPS). He also attended every TDU convention until he left office!! So again, stop the fiction!!

Like I previously said used!! I do take offense to your notion that I am a fool and your the only smart one in this forum!!

 

[member6045]

Like I previously said used!! I do take offense to your notion that I am a fool and your the only smart one in this forum!!

Now that we know TS is a supporter of the TDU! Why doesn't he use his own money to support that organization! Instead of funneling our locals money to them? TDU runs local 804 website, all mailings and brings in blow hards from other TDU locals to spread there hate for the intl! You speak of unity! But you have none for the biggest house in the teamster land! Your now better! You can't judge me!!

 

[joseph]

Gotta give to get!!! Maybe if you feel it was too much to give to get pension up to 4000 then maybe you should have been running your mouth all the years we did'nt get anything in our supplement for concessions.

I thought this E/B was about no deals?

 

[chris24]

The 25 and out issue came about bye the trustees!! Ups knew that local 447 president would vote with them!! 447 had there own deal working! So a vote was cast and accrual rate was cut! ITS called a reduction of benefits!! Remember the phrase! History always repeats itself. As I stated earlier? Howie and Magrene crafted a deal that made ups have keep the accrual rate at $144.00 dollars!! This meant that even if the investments did horrible!! The company had to put money in to keep that $144.00 accrual rate in place!!! That was for the life of the contract! It was originally thought that it was 18 million dollars but market began to fall and there where years of over 25 million dollars where pumped into this local yearly!! Meanwhile our current contract falls short of these numbers even in a stock market that has been working at peak performance and funding relief giving pension funds a break on return investments from bad years! Aka! Kicking the can down the road for today's part timers to have major problems when they one day become full time.

I don't think he gets it