Maybe, maybe, maybe.... How about maybe you guys read Supplement Art 6 Sec 3. Pretty clear, that is to those that don't have an agenda.
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in my 30 plus years working for this dirt bag company how many articles & supplements were interpreted & thought to be IRON CLAD by our union, only to be twisted,distorted & re-interpreted by the company. lets start with the air drivers. under Ron C air drivers were never suppose to interfere with the feeder operation. they were only intended to bring overflow air from their domicile building to the nearest air hub. well the company exploited that & had them delivering from airport to airport, cutting into feeder work & their overtime. u can have all the language u want in a contract & UPS will find a way to distort it. wish Ron was here to tell u about it.
member6045
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Agenda! Is this the new word for the crew and you!! Every time a question is posed your crew starts the TDU blitz!! It's funny now! I even see you guys giving each other hearts!! Very cute!!!
Well we finally agree. I also wish Ron was still here, because then he'd tell you exactly how good of a deal this board provided.
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teamster 804
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I believe agenda was used improperly.Actually it should be twisted agenda.Or better yet cheerleaders for failure for our members and our current board!!!Keep up the fight my twisted agenda brothers.I guess we will be subjected to all this negative B/S all the way up to next election.
Karma is a bitch
Be careful what you say
Read all the articles you want. It won't make a difference. The company is doing whatever they want and this EB is doing nada
member6045
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In the game, teamster 804 and brown 804 are the 804 cheerleaders! You talk about clouded judgement! All 3 minds think just alike! And same topic!
There doing a great job but?
The next election run?
The agenda of others?
The diverting money from our raise to fix or increase pension????? NO WAY!!! HECK NO
You have yet to win a building total support! Not 43rd st or Suffolk building! You have people who support you which you should! But bye far! Not one of you do your job of protecting us! Or deserving a pay increase!! Members are ore protecting themselves bye working like slaves these days! There's no confidence in you.
member6045
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TS is in the business of outsmarting its members. It's a shame that it's able to be done on both sides! Our members have to take the time to educate themselves and make decisions that are in there best interest! TS stated a member brought up the idea to divert money from raise earlier in year. TS is now going to see what it would cost the member to raise pension and get back to members. Come on! TS has had the numbers for months now? He's just waiting to dumb us down again! I personally would have given up some of my raise to keep what all we lost during negotiations! So stay tuned! It's coming! Cancel that retro check that some are waiting on? Whenever it comes! There are a few locals that are going to reap the benefits from a second no vote! Hi! We left .15 cents a year for them to give to another local.
Don't forget! We gave one of the most profitable company's in the USA, fifteen cents of our raise. That is a back hand slap to us. And this EB called this supplement the best in 804 history. Wait till this supplement is in affect, I see P /T drivers in the near future. Row B destroyed Ron C legacy. The only ones that made out was UPS, they got everything they have wanted for over thirty years. You may not see it now but wait its coming to a building near you.
teamster 804
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Let me explain who i am i am a member just like every other dues paying member.I support nobody except my family no row a, no row b, row c,whoever.I am here over 25 years,when Howie and the boys were in the hall that was my local now that Tim and co are in the hall this is my local.You say i am a cheerleader and yes i am a cheerleader for one thing a good supplement for once since Ron Carey left us.This local has done nothing for us for years no pension increases, medical mismanaged for years to the point now that the members are suffering for it with higher co pays and higher retiree medical.Annuity has been a joke, forgotten like it should have never existed.You talk about the diversion of the 30 cents that the hall is taking a look at it to increase our pension even more and your answer is HECK NO!! I wish to god our board all the 25 years i have been here would have visited an idea like this even with a 300 dollar raise in our pension 25 and out only gets you around 41000 a year but there complacent attitude did nothing positive for our membership.You talk about local taking a pay increase well guess what they are earning there pay increase by trying to move this local in the right direction financially, which is a huge part in our locals success.I have news for you, we as members were overpaying the previous board for running us into the ground financially with there complacency no pension increase all those years even attempting to eliminate 25 and out instead of getting members more in there pocket.
So when i come on here and read comments from guys like you,who i stated that were cheerleaders for failure that is what you are bro,i dont know what your agenda is, i dont care what you future aspirations are, but this our local whether you love everything they do, somethings they do, or nothing they do,bashing them and dividing our membership will only lead to failure for all the members.There were no superheroes in the hall before and there are no superheros in the hall now but at least this board is trying to move our members in the right direction financially.Members need to move forward as a UNION not who wants to go this way or who wants to go that way.IN UNITY THERE IS STRENGTH PERIOD!!!!!!
member6045
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I'm sure Ron Carey kept a watchful eye on this local from Washington DC and from his home in queens. Ron Carey would've never let this local suffer! If benefits could have been increased they would have, you are just assuming. Ron Carey left this local in the best hands that he believed in before he went to Washington DC. As for the medical you girls cried like babies when Howie wanted to raise copays. So Howie wasn't a true leader because he listen to the membership? Believe it or not Howie saved the pension fund! If the accrual rate was not stable it would be gone today! Whether you like his words then or now The stock market crashed and many other locals pension funds went along with it!! We are now reaping the benefits because of the stock market crash! Funding relief! Like hundreds of other locals doing today.
teamster 804
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That really was a nice fairy tale.I love the part about how us members, the girls as you put it cryed about the co pays,and the part about Howie saving our pension that was the best.When i get my pension increase i will buy you the Brooklyn Bridge.They became complacent end of story, that is why they are not in office anymore,and the members suffered because of that complacency.
member6045
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You call it complacency? I call under estimating the lies, help and money that was given to TS from the TDU to take over this local!
Fairytale? Are you an idiot? Or do you like to play the role of one?!
First off, the $1.75 negotiated on the previous contract was an exchange for a temp suspension of coffee payment to only new hires (year 2008 on).
Now, this Eboard negotiated the same $1.75 an exchange for;
1. Still no coffee for new hires
2. VCD's
3. Election Day
4. One hour flex start time (only apply able to pkg car drivers)
5. Two free periods
6. Extending one also to January 15.
Etc...
Is that the right direction you speak of with so much passion?!
So YOUR family comes first?! It doesn't surprise me, after 25years... you, my brother, already collected OT, thrift plan, ups stock going public etc. So now your attitude is FU to the members left behind, let them figure out how they are going to support their families.
teamster 804
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Big D Yes fairytale i believe the member stated that Howie saved the pension.If that's not a fairytale than what is.All those years no increase in members pensions give me a break already not even a 50 dollar bill.No adjustments made to annuity all those years B/S interest year after year.Almost the year 2014 pension sits at 3100 while other locals are hovering around 5000 and our local has not gotten a pension increase in 15 years that is pathetic.That is not strong.What good is 25 and out if members cant afford to retire.As far as your comment about me saying FU to members left behind spare me the B/S on how are they going to support there familes they will be making plenty of money, and they should be thankful they have a board that is looking out for there future as a retiree, by raising there pension and entertaining ideas to increase pension even more through a 30 cent contribution. I wish i had that luxury all of these years that my pension was ignored.As far as you calling me an idiot the only idiots on here are the ones who cant see through your B/S trying to divide this membership for your own political asperations.Your the guy if current board did everything right you would still knock it and pick it apart because it does not benefit your agenda.
No offense, but you're cherry picking what to answer. I get that the pension increase is great, but that doesnt mean you should use it in every post to defend your case. I voted yes on this sup by the way. I hate to agree with bigd, but some of the stuff that hes saving have some truth to it and should be taken seriously. Like the two free periods, vcds. They are crap!!! On the 804 website, I see them trying to say its a good thing because it gives pters the chance to qualify.....huh? Bs! It's not like if they drive 30 days as vacation cover driver they won't have to go through probation when they become ft drivers.
"Cheerleaders for failure" !! You hit it on the nose. The cheerlead for the failed policies of redmond/buhlert and cheered for Tim and co to fail . They are nothing but Brown cafe whiners behind an anonymous screen name!!
Sounds like you just got off the phone will buhlert. Did you take good notes from billy boy?? What billy boy didnt tell you is that our board was able to retain that $1.75 PLUS the $1 that other locals got (minus the .15cent rainy day fund). For a grand total of $2.60!! That number will allow our H/W Funds to grow and possibly allow the board to restore benefits and maybe even rates to previous levels, especially for retirees!! Redmond and buhlert couldnt see beyond their next election. They couldnt even negotiate enough money to get us to 2013!! UPS netted over $4.6 BILLION in profits the year they negotiated that failed deal!! They failed us and tried to hide that fact by LYING to all of us!!...your hero??
member6045
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The dollar amount that you have negotiated is less than what is needed to maintain the current accrual rate! How much are we receiving towards our pension on an hourly basis for each full time member at 40 hours worked a week. It's simple from there! Members + pension hourly rate = millions of dollars you get to keep fund strong.
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