UPS LATEST PROPOSAL

[Thebrownblob]

Who?

Also, I would make a note I don’t know what they’re basing that 5% off because my top rated I calculate $2.07 not $2.11. For the first year. That’s a four cent difference and UPS is good at math especially if it’s in their favor.

 

[Wontmake9.5]

This just began floating around earlier today. Would have to think UPS leaked it. Matches up to what someone said in this thread earlier or another thread about $44.44 first year.

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3k lump sum lol I call bs

 

[Wontmake9.5]

I’m just making a point now everything is strategy the company would love to turn us against each other right now at the end as much as possible. I’m not saying that’s what’s happening here. I’m just saying it would make sense.
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That’s crazy. This company would never ever everrrr do something as crazy as that. Crazy

 

[Thebrownblob]

3k lump sum lol I call bs

Supposedly the company offers so it doesn’t necessarily mean what’s written there is BS although it may be BS that we accepted it.

 

[Karma...]

Ptrs have been supporting the fters for a long time with their high turn over, not using benefits., etc....their total cost to ups is the hourly rate plus benefits which many won't use..thats about 9 dollars to the union for every hour they work......its not the same for the fters..give the pters the full amount and have the fters pay their own way....the sluice fund needs revision......the fters are taking the pters money........divvy it up fairly bros......no wonder the teamsters are called reamsters where I am....also the pt bender over

 

[The Range]

I think Mr. Obrien's strategy here is brilliant. UPS was going to frame the narrative as UPS drivers and their 100k wages. Making this about the majority of the workforce being part-time and their poverty wages, public perception flips. If we win a good contract for everyone, workers at amazon and elsewhere will take note. I am grateful the minority of selfish drivers aren't near the negotiation table. This is about raising everyone up and growing teamster membership. Part-time ain't a crime. This media tour touting part-time garbage wages is going to pay off IMO.

 

[Emergency Conditions]

I think Mr. Obrien's strategy here is brilliant. UPS was going to frame the narrative as UPS drivers and their 100k wages. Making this about the majority of the workforce being part-time and their poverty wages, public perception flips. If we win a good contract for everyone, workers at amazon and elsewhere will take note. I am grateful the minority of selfish drivers aren't near the negotiation table. This is about raising everyone up and growing teamster membership. Part-time ain't a crime.

Good point!

 

[UnionStrong]

I think Mr. Obrien's strategy here is brilliant. UPS was going to frame the narrative as UPS drivers and their 100k wages. Making this about the majority of the workforce being part-time and their poverty wages, public perception flips. If we win a good contract for everyone, workers at amazon and elsewhere will take note. I am grateful the minority of selfish drivers aren't near the negotiation table. This is about raising everyone up and growing teamster membership. Part-time ain't a crime. This media tour touting part-time garbage wages is going to pay off IMO.

Maybe

 

[The Range]

Good point!

People can't see the forest for the trees. Recall the posters here in the lead-up that were so concerned that pubic perception would not be on our side because of the driver's wages. Teamster leadership is countering that in the most effective way possible. As I said earlier, UPS's only hope is to drive a wedge between FT and PT. Russian talking points and the useful idiots who parrot it. Me Me Me!

 

[BadIdeaGuy]

I will be moving over the rest of the PT vs FT comments and posts to the dump thread that I created once I’m at my computer instead of phone.

The thread was being derailed by that debate.

 

[UnionStrong]

I agree, If you want big money, go full time. You’ll be getting AT LEAST double the amount because you’re full time, hence working twice the hours

That’s what I’ve been saying the whole time.

You and others have been really disrespectful to part timers in here. Asking for a living wage is suddenly liberal propaganda. No one is saying you should be able to support a family on part time wages.

I’m saying a long term part timer warehouse should have the same top out hourly pay as a full time warehouse worker, and I really don’t see why that is so controversial

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

I will be moving over the rest of the PT vs FT comments and posts to the dump thread that I created once I’m at my computer instead of phone.

The thread was being derailed by that debate.

 

[21Savage]

I don't think SOB is doing a very good job on all these national media tv interviews he's doing.

 

[Undertow]

I say give ‘em what they want. While you’re at it, since they think they are on equal footing with FT, give them random drug tests too. More money, more responsibilities. We will see how many are left after a few rounds of randoms.

Lol...The company would have to suspend it's 60 hour restriction and force us all to the full 70 in that scenario.

 

[Yeet]

Lol...The company would have to suspend it's 60 hour restriction and force us all to the full 70 in that scenario.

I’m good with that.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

I’m good with that.

But at least his drivers we get double time after 60

 

[Wontmake9.5]

I don't think SOB is doing a very good job on all these national media tv interviews he's doing.

Sure he is. Just repeat the same thing at ever interview. Easy

 

[BadIdeaGuy]

Sure he is. Just repeat the same thing at ever interview. Easy

Stick to the script.

Whatever is going on behind the scenes, don’t give out information you didn’t want out there to begin with.

 

[Undertow]

I think Mr. Obrien's strategy here is brilliant. UPS was going to frame the narrative as UPS drivers and their 100k wages. Making this about the majority of the workforce being part-time and their poverty wages, public perception flips. If we win a good contract for everyone, workers at amazon and elsewhere will take note. I am grateful the minority of selfish drivers aren't near the negotiation table. This is about raising everyone up and growing teamster membership. Part-time ain't a crime. This media tour touting part-time garbage wages is going to pay off IMO.

I do think that's at least sound reasoning. I've never had a customer tell me I make too much as a driver, but not all of the public is aware how far behind the times the part time wage has eroded to.

But if that is O'Brien's strategy, how far is he willing to go for such a sizeable portion of the workforce that also has been historically the least inclined to participate. If we all go on strike and accept all that comes with that, and the PT workforce yet again fails to show up and even vote on an agreement that cost even more sacrifice, then what?

 

[Undertow]

It would also lose a lot of management

Hey some might define that as a "Win-Win" scenario.