UPS LATEST PROPOSAL

[dudebro]

The company should have used some of that dividend money to pay debt down instead of issue new 50-year debt

Maybe, but I'm actually behind what I think the Teamster vision is. Use that money to pay our people, we're still very profitable, then take that contract to Amazon and FDX and unionize them too. Then let them all compete with us on a level playing field, with professional logistics workers who earn a living wage.

It looks like State St, Blackrock, and Vanguard would rather see us lower our driver wages to bring them in line with FDX and AMZN instead of the other way around. friend those fat pencil pushers.

 

[No1 Special]

The company should have used some of that dividend money to pay debt down instead of issue new 50-year debt

......or at least buy 340,000 turkeys.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

What’s this debt you’re talking about? I never knew about that

I guess they are borrowing money for future expansion you have to pay attention to the financials

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Maybe, but I'm actually behind what I think the Teamster vision is. Use that money to pay our people, we're still very profitable, then take that contract to Amazon and FDX and unionize them too. Then let them all compete with us on a level playing field, with professional logistics workers who earn a living wage.

It looks like State St, Blackrock, and Vanguard would rather see us lower our driver wages to bring them in line with FDX and AMZN instead of the other way around. friend those fat pencil pushers.

Company needs to find the right balance of taking care of their employees and not getting themselves into too much debt.

This my personal opinion the company is focused on the short-term Outlook unlike the original founders of this company that looked decades down the road.

 

[SpicyItalian739]

Someone replied about part timers not staying their 3.5 half, the amount of 22.3 in our building that leave before their 8 or not even get their 3.5 on both shifts.

We have to get this right if we are a union. We can’t have new hires get 22 dollars an hour and 200 attendance bonus to make more then a 22 year part timer.

MRA should get added to full time. At my building they are just about hiring 22.3 off street and drivers 3-6 months.

I think the language floating around 20 dollar base pay and .75 cents for each year is great.

I don’t get the math on this. I’m at 23 years part-time and am slightly over $30/hr. How is a part-timer with the company 1 year less only making under $22 an hour? They should still be making over $29, unless there’s a huge disparity per rider. I’m in central states.

But yes, the $20 base +0.75 makes a lot of sense without giving part-timers too much. It rewards seniority, which it should.

 

[Karma...]

There’s a theory going around among the people I work with that he won’t accept a penny less than what he’s asking for. I found it odd that even when UPS said ok let’s meet again and give us till July 5th he was still making threats thru social media. Like why do that? You better give us what we want. At some point everyone knows how UPS is, that was only going to piss someone off. A lot of people I work with think he actually wants a strike to drum up support from other workers like Amazon to agree to unionize. I’m fine with whatever happens, if we strike we strike but it’s almost as if he wants one.

exactly put

 

[Karma...]

Company needs to find the right balance of taking care of their employees and not getting themselves into too much debt.

This my personal opinion the company is focused on the short-term Outlook unlike the original founders of this company that looked decades down the road.

everything changed in the fall of 1999

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

everything changed in the fall of 1999

Not for the better, especially for management.
Except for a long-term management team had a bunch of stock.

 

[dudebro]

I don’t get the math on this. I’m at 23 years part-time and am slightly over $30/hr. How is a part-timer with the company 1 year less only making under $22 an hour? They should still be making over $29, unless there’s a huge disparity per rider. I’m in central states.

But yes, the $20 base +0.75 makes a lot of sense without giving part-timers too much. It rewards seniority, which it should.

The MRA includes the "attendance bonus", so if you earn $22/hr, and after a 20 hour week you get a $200 attendance bonus, it's really like earning $32/hr. The $200/20 hrs is like an additional $10/hr. For a 25 hour week it's still $30/hr all in.

 

[dudebro]

Not for the better, especially for management.
Except for a long-term management team had a bunch of stock.

I always felt like I started here 10 years too late. I would have only been 9 though, so there's that...

 

[SpicyItalian739]

The MRA includes the "attendance bonus", so if you earn $22/hr, and after a 20 hour week you get a $200 attendance bonus, it's really like earning $32/hr. The $200/20 hrs is like an additional $10/hr. For a 25 hour week it's still $30/hr all in.

Ok that makes sense. I just read it as a new employee made $22 an hour which was more than a 22 year part timer, and it didn’t add up.

How many of those newer PTers actually show up on time enough to get the attendance bonus though? I wonder.

At any rate, it tracks with UPS’s modus operandi—namely pitting the employees against each other and not letting them unite against management.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

I always felt like I started here 10 years too late. I would have only been 9 though, so there's that...

Life happens can't worry about yesterday

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Ok that makes sense. I just read it as a new employee made $22 an hour which was more than a 22 year part timer, and it didn’t add up.

How many of those newer PTers actually show up on time enough to get the attendance bonus though? I wonder.

At any rate, it tracks with UPS’s modus operandi—namely pitting the employees against each other and not letting them unite against management.

Well it should not be an MRA unless the current employees make at least that much if not a little bit more

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

They really can't afford to do that again and the tools are not as strong for them to step on this potential strike, however, behind the scenes I am sure the administration will be leaning on both sides to make a deal

The acting secretary of labor said there is no need for them to intervene "at this point". So the Democrats will butt into our dispute whenever they feel like it.

She also said a fair contract is one that the workers vote to pass. This is exactly what UPS wants to hear. Democrats will push O'Brien to send it to a vote whether he likes it or not.

UPS probably thinks whatever they send to a vote will pass, especially if it's really only part time raises that are the sticking point. They might be right.

 

[Drink Craft Beer]

The MRA includes the "attendance bonus", so if you earn $22/hr, and after a 20 hour week you get a $200 attendance bonus, it's really like earning $32/hr. The $200/20 hrs is like an additional $10/hr. For a 25 hour week it's still $30/hr all in.

No attendance bonus offered where I'm at, would be nice though.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Ok that makes sense. I just read it as a new employee made $22 an hour which was more than a 22 year part timer, and it didn’t add up.

How many of those newer PTers actually show up on time enough to get the attendance bonus though? I wonder.

At any rate, it tracks with UPS’s modus operandi—namely pitting the employees against each other and not letting them unite against management.

Why you posting now after all these years?

 

[SpicyItalian739]

Why you posting now after all these years?

Contract season brings all the boys to the yard!

 

[Manifesto]

I'd say 40% of drivers in my center are not at top pay

Probably about the same at ours. But most of them that are the type that rush around all day and get no overtime. Makes so sense to me as many of them are laid off 1 or 2 times a week and could use the money.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Contract season brings all the boys to the yard!

I see lots of names I haven't seen for a long time

 

[catstalking]

I guess they are borrowing money for future expansion you have to pay attention to the financials