Voting Starts Next Week! How will you vote and why.

[Smashmouth]

OMG! You already have a driver that gets 85% of top rate. That is a two tier/hybrid driver and your cool with it but not a 22.4. Your a hypocrite and clueless. Thank you for proving my point most that vote no people don’t know .

No maroon, Im not cool with it, nor should you be, we here in the south, have had cover drivers longer then you, our genius Local president was the one who came up with the idea! And it disseminated to the whole country in ‘97. But its a part time job, was always meant to be a part time job, however, as usual, UPS bastardized the language and uses it way beyond the scope of is intent! Down here, they give people extra days off and bring in a cover, they use more covers then number of people that are off, and get away with almost all of it! But atleast as a cover, they have options, they can say “Nope, dont want to work today”, and atleast there is a path to RPCD...get 156 reports, add a full time driver(we had five last year). Give them 22.4 and its yet another step to “citizenship” for the part timer...they use and abuse BOTH languages.
So your arguement that “Ahh what the hell let’s give them 22.4s we already gave them TCDs” is quite pathetic. Why would I give them more of something they abuse already?

 

[Coldworld]

Will they be allowed to hire off the street if they can’t fulfill?

We’ve had many outside hires or pters who started driving after a few month who have quit the company shortly after making book.... this isn’t the 80’s anymore where there’s a line around the block for a couple of driving jobs

 

[BuckyBadger]

And UPS wants to get rid of some of those part time jobs because the benefits cost more than the hourly wage.

by the way, I thought we weren't getting the pension anymore? Why does everyone keep mentioning it?

 

[LagunaBrown]

No maroon, Im not cool with it, nor should you be, we here in the south, have had cover drivers longer then you, our genius Local president was the one who came up with the idea! And it disseminated to the whole country in ‘97. But its a part time job, was always meant to be a part time job, however, as usual, UPS bastardized the language and uses it way beyond the scope of is intent! Down here, they give people extra days off and bring in a cover, they use more covers then number of people that are off, and get away with almost all of it! But atleast as a cover, they have options, they can say “Nope, dont want to work today”, and atleast there is a path to RPCD...get 156 reports, add a full time driver(we had five last year). Give them 22.4 and its yet another step to “citizenship” for the part timer...they use and abuse BOTH languages.
So your arguement that “Ahh what the hell let’s give them 22.4s we already gave them TCDs” is quite pathetic. Why would I give them more of something they abuse already?

So over the last 20 years you never said but right now all of the sudden you decided two tier drivers are bad. Hmmmm so tell me Vince they had a cheaper driver all those years did they ever steal your overtime or get you laid off on Mondays?

 

[Frankie's Friend]

Read this and It’s obvious everything I said is true. No wonder the Facebook vote no page censors their posts. You guys are an embarrassment for hiding things from the members and calling them names when they are telling the truth. You guys do t even know what a two tier/hybrid driver is!

We dont have any here. I told you that many times. You rely on name calling now? Childish.

 

[LagunaBrown]

by the way, I thought we weren't getting the pension anymore? Why does everyone keep mentioning it?

Our part timers will get about $70,000 contributed to their pension over the 5 year contract. Every region is different. Ask your steward or business agent.

 

[Frankie's Friend]

Laguna is wrong that TCD are a second tier drivers. They are a part time position with a path to full time. They only get paid 85% top pay yes, but they get to keep that pay rate after becoming a RPCD. If they get 156 reports in a year, the company has to add a new RPCD. They dont have to drive everyday if they dont want to. But I still dont like TCD, simply because UPS abuses the language and uses them way more then is allowed contactually.
So why would anyone want to allow 22.4s, that you know UPS are going to be abused and used in ways not intended by the new language. With 22.4s you have essentially created another hurdle for part timers. Because there are still going to be TCDs...still have to cover vacations, sicknesses, work comp,call ins, not only for RPCDs but for 22.4s as well. So TCDs will work weekends sometimes. And after paying your dues as a part timer, and then as a TCD, now you will have the opportunity to get #@ED even more as a 22.4 until a RPCD job opens. Since 22.4s and RPCD are both full time positions, the only path to driving for a TCD will be through 22.4.

He is lying to sell a contract for himself.
He has either no clue or is a habitual liar or both. SMH

 

[babboo25]

Maybe you weren’t, but you were being condescending. Been here 29 years, and just when i think it can’t get worse, it does. I can’t stand the way in see management talk to employees. The last guy at my center that just retired, the last 5 months they made this job hell for him. He was a decent guy, hard working, and they slammed him, and just overall treated him like crap.

If you allow them to treat you that way they certainly will. Gotta stand up for yourself, file harassment grievances and call hotline if necessary.

 

[Smashmouth]

Ive said plenty of times, we in the south, have tried to get the TCD language removed, requested it in contract proposal meetings, but like i said, our local president created it, so although he pandered to us, im sure our proposal went no where. And now its nation wide 20 years and YOU want to give them another weapon! WTF!

 

[LagunaBrown]

We dont have any here. I told you that many times. You rely on name calling now? Childish.

Are you the guy with part timers employee ‘s doing full time feeder work 7 months out of the year?

 

[Frankie's Friend]

I don’t care what they are called it’s a two tier driver. You the liar trying to hide it. They are everywhere, here they are called cover drivers and work year round. It’s obvious your full of . You will do anything for a no vote.

They aren't full time and you know it. Not only that our building voted that change down years ago.
Still voting against the other concessionary losses than should never been allowed.

 

[LagunaBrown]

He is lying to sell a contract for himself.
He has either no clue or is a habitual liar or both. SMH

How are you saying that a driver making 85% of a RPCD is not a two tier driver and then calling me a liar. Holy cow

 

[LagunaBrown]

They aren't full time and you know it. Not only that our building voted that change down years ago.
Still voting against the other concessionary losses than should never been allowed.

If they are not full time that is even worse! Wake up man!

 

[Frankie's Friend]

Are you the guy with part timers employee ‘s doing full time feeder work 7 months out of the year?

I already told you there's no pt time feeder drivers in our building and never will be unless the ibt lowers the bar in the next ta.
You have a short memory or just a trouble maker? Or both?
You're one or the other.

 

[Frankie's Friend]

If they are not full time that is even worse! Wake up man!

Let's keep on racing to the bottom to pass your personal increases.
You may not cross the picket line but you are a scab at heart.

 

[LagunaBrown]

I already told you there's no pt time feeder drivers in our building and never will be unless the ibt lowers the bar in the next ta.
You have a short memory or just a trouble maker? Or both?
You're one or the other.

There you go again spinning the truth. You want to have part time employees doing full time feeder work 7 months of the year instead of making full time feeder jobs.

 

[LagunaBrown]

Let's keep on racing to the bottom to pass your personal increases.
You may not cross the picket line but you are a scab at heart.

I walked the line in 1997 did you?

 

[Frankie's Friend]

There you go again spinning the truth. You want to have part time employees doing full time feeder work 7 months of the year instead of making full time feeder jobs.

Look puke, we dont want any of it and the ibt could've stood up and got rid of the TCDs. We voted no every cba. It's a waste of time responding to a greedy scab.

 

[LagunaBrown]

Look puke, we dont want any of it and the ibt could've stood up and got rid of the TCDs. We voted no every cba. It's a waste of time responding to a greedy scab.

Oh look who is name calling now. What a hypocrite you are. Once again I walked the line in 1997 did you?

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Oh look who is name calling now. What a hypocrite you are.

Stop crying Tony you're embarrassing yourself.