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Originally Posted by moreluck
B.O. uses the term "economic justice"....sounds good, but....
"Economic justice" simply means punishing the successful and redistributing their wealth by government fiat. It's a euphemism for socialism.
Have to agree more with Moreluck that this utopian treatise is an intellectual effort to euphemize Utopianism and Socialism. Most important is that this is a Utopian idea.
Utopian presentations of this sort tend to be more allegorical in nature and generally accepted as a system that can not be implemented. Utopian proposals always, always fall apart because they operate on the premise that "People will do what they should do for the best of the group."
If you were to substitute pre-programmed robots for humans in this system, it will work with no free will and no aberrations in the programming. However, with humans as the participants, this system would disintegrate into chaos and a free-will system will eventually emerge as an alternative.
The closest analogy is the Bolsheviks and Maoist implementation of their socialistic/communal beliefs - it did not work… and they were not even Utopian in nature. Their initial systems broke down and were replaced by totalitarian governments that tried to eliminate free will but instead, eliminated motivation and incentive for their citizens.
Originally Posted by moreluck
B.O. uses the term "economic justice"....sounds good, but....
"Economic justice" simply means punishing the successful and redistributing their wealth by government fiat. It's a euphemism for socialism.
That might be your definition, I don't think it's Obama's though.
I found this with a quick search, I'm guessing it's closer to what most people have in mind when they advocate economic justice: I'll spare a repost
Have to agree more with Moreluck that this utopian treatise is an intellectual effort to euphemize Utopianism and Socialism. Most important is that this is a Utopian idea.
Utopian presentations of this sort tend to be more allegorical in nature and generally accepted as a system that can not be implemented. Utopian proposals always, always fall apart because they operate on the premise that "People will do what they should do for the best of the group."
If you were to substitute pre-programmed robots for humans in this system, it will work with no free will and no aberrations in the programming. However, with humans as the participants, this system would disintegrate into chaos and a free-will system will eventually emerge as an alternative.
The closest analogy is the Bolsheviks and Maoist implementation of their socialistic/communal beliefs - it did not work… and they were not even Utopian in nature. Their initial systems broke down and were replaced by totalitarian governments that tried to eliminate free will but instead, eliminated motivation and incentive for their citizens.