Who is Obama
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tieguy
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Wars are expensive propositions and this one has been very expensive. The nice thing about wars is they eventually end and stop being an expense. As McCain steps in the bush folks are already preparing to negotiate a withdrawal of Iraq. Thus your argument that McCain would jack up our national debt is unfounded.
the real concern if you truly are worried about long term debt would be Obama creating another bureaucracy to administer socialized medical care. That would be a beast that could very well do everything to your pension that you claim McCain would.
couple that issue with unfettered immigration and we the taxpayers will be paying for every illegal that can sneak across our borders.
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tieguy
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you guys need to get your criticisms of McCain on the same page. You have some trying to make McCain sound like a tax and spend democrat and others trying to steal the military issue by claiming McCain does not want to spend enough.
UPS Lifer
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I think I eluded to building infrastucture - when I talked about fences, and locked gates etc.!
OK! Fear Mongering! This is what I am talking about!!
I guess if you don't think we are at war there is nothing to talk about!
And if you don't think we are at war then what happened on 9-11-2001???
going into ww2 deficit of 2 billion (1940 dollars) post 230 billion plus 15 years later almost all of the debt was paid off, the highway system was built, railroads expanded, airports expanded, and space exploration was starting
we paid it off, rebuilt japan and germany and most of western europe.
after all of our wars we have a major bump up in economy this time next year when the troop levels draw down to 50,000 and a few rapid response battalions in saudi and kuwait, troops come home and fill everyday jobs things will get beter.
and on the war industrial complex note.....war and tech is what we do, we do it very well, its one of the few US products that people will pay a premium for so theres not room to talk about it when it employs hundreds of thousands of employees
we paid it off, rebuilt japan and germany and most of western europe.
after all of our wars we have a major bump up in economy this time next year when the troop levels draw down to 50,000 and a few rapid response battalions in saudi and kuwait, troops come home and fill everyday jobs things will get beter.
and on the war industrial complex note.....war and tech is what we do, we do it very well, its one of the few US products that people will pay a premium for so theres not room to talk about it when it employs hundreds of thousands of employees
moreluck
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More, he sat in that racist church for 20 years. I expect him to disrespect the bible.
paidslave
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Nice plan! Only if Obama gets in this could happen. If McCain Gets in expect to go into Iran while we are there to clean house!
you are too narrow minded to see that obama plans are not workable. like i said in the other post youd rather spend 10bil a month on lazy ass people that dont have the common sense to get a job, then finishing what we started and stablizing the region
paidslave
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Where did you here that I or Obama is for Welfare? Enlighten me because you have me confused?
Originally Posted by paidslave
I have seen the Light! Get rid of these liberal democrats. Get rid of these stupid pensions, welfare, social security. I am tired of paying. It is not fair at all that my company pays
into pensions and I have to pay social security tax for some old fart sitting on his arse!
in the context, this proves my point....thank you please play again when you get a clue
Good day sir
I have seen the Light! Get rid of these liberal democrats. Get rid of these stupid pensions, welfare, social security. I am tired of paying. It is not fair at all that my company pays
into pensions and I have to pay social security tax for some old fart sitting on his arse!
in the context, this proves my point....thank you please play again when you get a clue
Good day sir
paidslave
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I agree with you, stablize the region. We should Go into Iran and take them out too while we are there too because they test long range missiles right before our eyes and Bush has done squat! We are on the same page!
We are not that far apart!
Where is your source for 10bil a month? For the lazy?
moreluck
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Hubby was baffled by Obama's B.S. and talking about taxes. Obama was saying we would pay so much percentage less than in the Reagan years and when he went and figured it out it means we will be paying more under Obama than we do right now. No thankyou! 
People better pay attention to the 'magic' language and check the figures out for your own situations. He's deceiving folks!
People better pay attention to the 'magic' language and check the figures out for your own situations. He's deceiving folks!
i was using that figure as what we spend on the war a month, it was posed as a basis of your opinion
paidslave
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Hubby was baffled by Obama's B.S. and talking about taxes. Obama was saying we would pay so much percentage less than in the Reagan years and when he went and figured it out it means we will be paying more under Obama than we do right now. No thankyou!
People better pay attention to the 'magic' language and check the figures out for your own situations. He's deceiving folks!
Posted on Jul 27, 2008
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According to the most recent data from the IRS, the wealthiest 1 percent of Americans took home a greater share of the nation’s income in 2006 than in any year of the previous 19. It’s possibly the biggest income disparity Americans have seen since the Great Depression. The average tax rate of the super-rich was at its lowest level in at least 18 years.
Hurray, good going Mr/Bush
I hope you picked the right stocks for your retirement! This is great news for the ecomomy and the stock market!
paidslave
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WSJ quote: “As the wealthiest Americans’ share of income has risen, so has their share of the income-tax burden. The group paid 39.9% of all income taxes in 2006, compared with 27.6% in 1988. In the most recently reported five years, however, the share of income reported by the very wealthy has risen faster than the group’s share of income taxes.”
While this may be true, it’s only half the story. They don’t PAY most of the taxes they owe. According to a news video at American News Project, they projectedly owe $100 Billion on money they have funneled elsewhere in order to evade paying their fair share. Harry Hanbury @ American News Project (approx 9min):
http://newsproject.org/videos/101
These yuppity-yups undermine the stabiliy of their own county, are slapping in the face those who do pay their taxes EVEN WHILE their own tax percentage has never been lower....can you think of anyone sleazier...? Get a load of the pork-fed lawyers too… disgusting. Can we afford to let this happen for 4 more years and possibly 8 years?
While this may be true, it’s only half the story. They don’t PAY most of the taxes they owe. According to a news video at American News Project, they projectedly owe $100 Billion on money they have funneled elsewhere in order to evade paying their fair share. Harry Hanbury @ American News Project (approx 9min):
http://newsproject.org/videos/101
These yuppity-yups undermine the stabiliy of their own county, are slapping in the face those who do pay their taxes EVEN WHILE their own tax percentage has never been lower....can you think of anyone sleazier...? Get a load of the pork-fed lawyers too… disgusting. Can we afford to let this happen for 4 more years and possibly 8 years?
tieguy
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tieguy
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another source on the subject which has 10 percent paying 70 percent of all taxes:
http://www.heritage.org/research/fe...2008-boc-T4-The-Top-10-Percent-of-Income.html
The Top 10 Percent of Income Earners Paid 70 Percent of Federal Income Tax
The U.S. tax system is highly progressive. The top 1 percent of income earners, by household, paid 39 percent of all federal income taxes in 2005, whereas the bottom 50 percent paid a little over 3 percent. Further, 32 percent of all tax returns filed in 2005 were from people who paid no federal income tax at all.
So your argument that the rich are not paying taxes is not supported by either source.
And if you look at the graphs the top fifty percent of all wage earners pay close to 97 percent of all taxes.
So when Obama speaks of raising taxes guess who is going to pay. It ain't the bottom fifty its us.
http://www.heritage.org/research/fe...2008-boc-T4-The-Top-10-Percent-of-Income.html
The Top 10 Percent of Income Earners Paid 70 Percent of Federal Income Tax
The U.S. tax system is highly progressive. The top 1 percent of income earners, by household, paid 39 percent of all federal income taxes in 2005, whereas the bottom 50 percent paid a little over 3 percent. Further, 32 percent of all tax returns filed in 2005 were from people who paid no federal income tax at all.
So your argument that the rich are not paying taxes is not supported by either source.
And if you look at the graphs the top fifty percent of all wage earners pay close to 97 percent of all taxes.
So when Obama speaks of raising taxes guess who is going to pay. It ain't the bottom fifty its us.
