Thnks 104, I understand that one contract would not surfice. But as long as the language stated you could not cross bid between Pak and Freight, the seniority issue would not come in to play. As far as being better now. The wages are with in pennies of the same, equipment is the same, benefits are the same and the BS, not even close to the same.
2013 Contract - Wage Issues - What Do You Want to See?
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menotyou
bella amicizia
I come here to relax and act silly. I am far different when wearing the uniform.
brown_trousers
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Im not sure what revenue looks like over in UPSF. But is it even a possibility to bring those drivers up to our wages and benefits without putting UPS freight in the red?
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
Nope. Since we r all "brothers" we should share. Lol As I said before the freight business model just does not allow for our type of wages.
Not really sure, but again i think it could obtained over the next 2 contracts. At least point it in that direction. Not even sure freight can strike. My opinion is, and this is just my opinion. The closer the contracts come together the more strength we would have. Its just to divided right now. I think the wages between the drivers (other then the package guys) isn't really that different. So its more about the benefits. I do know they are not doing the volume they did compared to when it was overnight.
brown_trousers
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I'm usually pro-union. But I think it very irresponsible to negotiate wages that push a businesses' bottom line into the red. There has to be a compromise, so that both the business and the employees can show a positive cash flow.
But at what point does management take responsibily for no profits? You can't put all the blame on the drivers for lack of freight. Freight received alot of small pak management, you just can't run them the same way. When the benefits and the wages eventually go up it will put more pressure on mangement to figure out how to make money. It is a double egded sword.
brown_trousers
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there still needs to be a balance, and UPSF will need a little wiggle room with their bottom line if they want to grow. On the small package side, I think that even in our most aggressive contracts, we were always responsible enough to leave UPS with a decent profit margin. We never pushed UPS into the red
Dracula
Package Car is cake compared to this...
Your attitude says you need to put your letter in and enter management.
Dracula
Package Car is cake compared to this...
A lot of people seem to forget that the Overnite drivers had a chance to join the union, but voted no. Hey, why should they get the same pay and benefits as us? You have to fight for it. They never went on strike, they never put their jobs on the line, like we did.
Catatonic
Nine Lives
Does that mean a driver that started after 1997 don't deserve their compensation either?
I think what you seem to forget Drac. is that the older overnight guys who voted against the union way back when were treated well by overnight. In todays age alot of those drivers with that mind set have retired or are ready to retire in just a few years. I am not sure what the percentage would be, but freight is made up of alot of former teamsters from CF, Yellow and other various union shops. I would think some of those guys helped base what you are receiving, so I think they earned it. You do understand the theory of the more you buy the cheaper the cost? This pertains to the benefits. Everbody wants to earn more money you as well as me. The wages aren't the biggest issue here. Its the benefits. The freight guys had no say in ups buying out overnight. I've stated many times, the men and woman who do 150+ stops aday earn what they get and deserve it. But you cannot base the profitability of the 2 seperately because the freight side will never be as profitable as the pak side. The pak side has what, maybe a handful of major competitors, the freight side has hundreds. Regular customers will not ship today over a nickel, tommorrow the price may change and we the shipment. You just cannot compare the 2 on equal terms.
brown_trousers
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This is the real world, not fairy tale land. American business has NEVER been about what people deserve to get. In the real business world you fight for your share of income, while your business fights for their share of the market, and so on and so on....
This would be a completely different world if it was based on what people deserved to get!
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
Then why do u keep trying to compare us?!?!?!?!? Listen I don't know anything about your pay or benefits but you should be comparing your compensation to other companies in your line of work. You said so yourself we can't be compared.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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Does this mean that you would be willing to walk if the Freight drivers decided to strike, even if it meant doing so could cost you your job?
I'm not comparing company to company. I am comparing job to job which is same thing everyone on here is doing. All you hear is 150+ stops, thats the comparison. Very few of our competitors are not under the master freight agreement who are unionized. At this rate UPS will not have to divide and conquer, we will do it to ourselves.
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