Around here, based on that logic we got rid of all our air drivers.
2013 Contract - Wage Issues - What Do You Want to See?
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brown_trousers
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Its the kind of logic that keeps your business from going under. I think we in small package have always been reasonable when negotiating our wages, in that we asked for wages that we knew the business could sustain. We negotiated within the the profit margins of our business.
There are unions out there that negotiated their businesses into bankruptcy, because they were negotiating wages that couldn't be sustained. That's just plain irresponsible!
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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I think you missed Hoke's point. Air is by far our most profitable product so it would only be logical that our air drivers be the highest paid. Ground is less profitable per pkg thus the Ground driver should have a lower wage. Feeder drivers produce no revenue for the company and thus should be the lowest paid.
Catatonic
Nine Lives
Correct except for Feeder... I was thinking along the lines that they move Ground packages for the most part.
The only people that generate revenue are Pickup drivers ... technically.
Dracula
Package Car is cake compared to this...
Technically is correct. The pickup driver is merely a spoke in the wheel. He or she is just the one that touches the package at that point. It gets moved along by a part-timer, gets loaded by another part-timer, get moved by a feeder driver, to another feeder driver or jet pilot, more part-timers, and another package car driver. And that is just our side of it. No one person is more important than the next. As far as revenue, we all need each other in the chain.
brown_trousers
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your comparing apples and oranges. All of our services in UPS small package are inter-connected. We all contribute in some way to the movement of a package from pickup to delivery. So by "my logic" all of us in small package share in the success/revenue from any small package shipment. Other Teamster businesses (like UPS Freight) may have a wee bit of overlap, but are essentially completely different businesses with completely different revenue streams.
But nice try, trying to twist that logic around
Catatonic
Nine Lives
Why thank you but I must admit I was inspired by you.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
brown_trousers
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you're welcome!
brown_trousers
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Maybe in socialized Europe.... Not in America though
Catatonic
Nine Lives
My study of history and observations causes me to equate Unions as Socialist organizations ... in the US too!
brown_trousers
Well-Known Member
socialization at its best.... It doesn't get more socialized than a labor union!
UnconTROLLed
perfection
Given the current state of "unionism", it's actually not unionism at all. Socialism = worker-owned institutions, and labor unions in the current state are actually top-down authority, not anything like socialism.
Catatonic
Nine Lives
But at the worker level, it is closer.
And don't try to get too technical ... there has never been real Socialism and never will be.
One more like this and we'll have Irene ask, "Who's the towhead?"
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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Bump up to $10/hr with the option of $15/hr in lieu of benefits.
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
$10 isn't much of raise but I think it would be huge for morale. Get over that $10 hump and everyone would feel better.
brown_trousers
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Id like to see a good part time pay progression that tops out around 20/hr after 7 years or so
104Feeder
Phoenix Feeder
Really? No revenue? So all those trailers we pick up every day full of air or ground packages from Abus, Amazon, Chassis Tech, Antigua, Avnet, American Woodmark, Bazzill Basics, Bose, Brock, Cardinal Health, Chamberlain, CMS, Comfortex, Discount Tire, Express Scripts, Freelife, Fredericks of Hollywood, Gold Canyon, Hillman, Hunter Douglas, Home Depot, Ikon, Isagenix, Ping, Liberty Dist, Macy's, McKesson Medical, Altanna, USI, Hagar, Industries for the Blind, MWI, Naturmed, Office Depot, Office Max, Precision Roller, Quality Hitch, Rockford, Smart Practice, Smart Health, States Logistics, Smith Southwestern, S.P. Richards, Standard Register, Target, Troxell, JL Audio, Clarke American, United Stationers, Gevalia, Wells Fargo Imaging, Warren, Kraft Food, Watts Premier, Cheetah Mounts, Cooper Wiring, and Waxie generate no revenue for UPS? Many times picking up almost 3 weeks worth of volume for one Package driver in just one hour generates absolutely no revenue? Good to know.
Catatonic
Nine Lives
A feeder driver classification picking up a load from the customer location and taking to a UPS location for processing is performing a Pickup Driver activity.
Of course, all this is total BS anyway. Don't get your panties in a wad over a tongue in cheek farce.
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