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[Shift 2]

I understand that, but @Tony Q is presenting the issue like we're all doomed if we don't do it NOW. I don't know where this sense of urgency is coming from. Either way, Sundays are not the problem with the whole thing. Not paying top driver rate is.

Not paying top driver rate is a bad deal but the way I see it is if you deliver for 4 hrs and go in the hub on the bulk belt or yard shift for 4 more hrs with out OT being forced that’s not that bad. If there’s a strong language stating anything over 4 hrs on road will result in to driver pay for the remainder of the day then that’s a good deal. And maybe a full time pension

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Not paying top driver rate is a bad deal but the way I see it is if you deliver for 4 hrs and go in the hub on the bulk belt or yard shift for 4 more hrs with out OT being forced that’s not that bad. If there’s a strong language stating anything over 4 hrs on road will result in to driver pay for the remainder of the day then that’s a good deal. And maybe a full time pension

A full-time pension goes without saying. You are doing a full-time job.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

As for the committee, you think some guy that drove back in 1970 is supposed to know the intricacies of what we go through on a daily basis in today’s world? That’s rich!

I would proffer a different view point.

Any elected official that doesn't understand communication with their Stewards and the

members is crucial, won't be around long. Most know more than they might be credited with.



-Bug-

 

[Poop Head]

Not paying top driver rate is a bad deal but the way I see it is if you deliver for 4 hrs and go in the hub on the bulk belt or yard shift for 4 more hrs with out OT being forced that’s not that bad. If there’s a strong language stating anything over 4 hrs on road will result in to driver pay for the remainder of the day then that’s a good deal. And maybe a full time pension

4hours on road. LMFAO

 

[Shift 2]

A full-time pension goes without saying. You are doing a full-time job.

Your right on that I just like the idea of no forced OT I guess and the pension doesn’t bother me as much because I’m already part time and I’ve been trying to plan my retirement around my part time pension and part time wage 401k along with my lawn service on the side

 

[Shift 2]

A full-time pension goes without saying. You are doing a full-time job.

I’m still a no vote if they don’t get the full time pension but I really don think its that bad

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Your right on that I just like the idea of no forced OT I guess and the pension doesn’t bother me as much because I’m already part time and I’ve been trying to plan my retirement around my part time pension and part time wage 401k along with my lawn service on the side

The pension payments are based on 40 hours. Overtime doesn't matter.

 

[brown_trousers]

The part timers better pay attention and vote on this contract. It's their future here, not ours.

They wont. I would bet that most of our part timers arent here for the long run. Just here for tuition assistance or health benefits until they find their next job

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

They wont. I would bet that most of our part timers arent here for the long run. Just here for tuition assistance or health benefits until they find their next job

Some are but some have hopes of becoming a driver. A decade from now they could be making less than we are right now. They better wake up.

 

[wide load]

I would proffer a different view point.

Any elected official that doesn't understand communication with their Stewards and the

members is crucial, won't be around long. Most know more than they might be credited with.



-Bug-

Most do. And I agree with you. UPS evolves so fast that taking a week on vacation and there are 10 new rules you now have to implement.

 

[brown_trousers]

Some are but some have hopes of becoming a driver. A decade from now they could be making less than we are right now. They better wake up.

Part timers are uninterested in becoming FT drivers these days. In portland we have a PT to FT driver list that is over 5 pages long of names. But no one actually wants the job. They all say no when offered a driving job. And it usually comes down to a part timer with less than 6 months seniority taking the job. This job must be very unappealing to them.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Part timers are uninterested in becoming FT drivers these days. In portland we have a PT to FT driver list that is over 5 pages long of names. But no one actually wants the job. They all say no when offered a driving job. And it usually comes down to part timer with less than 6 months seniority taking the job. This job must be very unappealing to them.

I agree in some places it's pretty bad. UPS has to realize that the millennials do not want to work all of these hours.

 

[brown_trousers]

I agree in some places it's pretty bad. UPS has to realize that the millennials do not want to work all of these hours.

Millenials are like europeans. They want full time to equal 30 hrs a week and also include no cost healthcare, pension, and everything else in life for free

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Millenials are like europeans. They want full time to equal 30 hrs a week and also include no cost healthcare, pension, and everything else in life for free

Nobody wants to work for it anymore.

 

[1989]

The pension payments are based on 40 hours. Overtime doesn't matter.

Some pensions are based on all hours worked up to 2080.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Some pensions are based on all hours worked up to 2080.

That would be a 40 hour work weekX 52 weeks.


40X52=2080

 

[1989]

That would be a 40 hour work weekX 52 weeks.


40X52=2080

Or 48 hours X 43ish weeks.

 

[brown_trousers]

Or 48 hours X 43ish weeks.

or if we switch to 70 hr a week. it would only take 29 weeks to max out pension contributions.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

or if we switch to 70 hr a week. it would only take 29 weeks to max out pension contributions.

No. They only pay on the first 40 hours...

 

[brown_trousers]

No. They only pay on the first 40 hours...

stupid rules.