Dhydratd

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Ok, so Monday through Monday is 8 days. I worked 69 hours last week from Mon-Sat. I reported to work this this Monday and worked 12 hours. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that I violated the 70/8 rule by working 81 hours in 8 days?
Nevermind, 34-hour reset starts it over on Mon, doesn't it?
 

Brownslave688

You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
Ok, so Monday through Monday is 8 days. I worked 69 hours last week from Mon-Sat. I reported to work this this Monday and worked 12 hours. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that I violated the 70/8 rule by working 81 hours in 8 days?
No. You had 34+ hours off
 

Dracula

Package Car is cake compared to this...
The same thing I've been talking about the whole time: violating DOT hours of service. Jeez.
 

542thruNthru

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Ok, so Monday through Monday is 8 days. I worked 69 hours last week from Mon-Sat. I reported to work this this Monday and worked 12 hours. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that I violated the 70/8 rule by working 81 hours in 8 days?
Nevermind, 34-hour reset starts it over on Mon, doesn't it?

It's a rolling 8 days. Once you have a 34 hour rest you're allowed to run 70 hours again.
 

Brownslave688

You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
The same thing I've been talking about the whole time: violating DOT hours of service. Jeez.
No one mentioned anything about violating. Just that the hours per week had been kicked up to 70.


It's also helps people if you quote who you're responding to.
 

Brownslave688

You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
The same thing I've been talking about the whole time: violating DOT hours of service. Jeez.
No one mentioned anything about violating. Just that the hours per week had been kicked up to 70.


It's also helps people if you quote who you're responding to.
 

Dracula

Package Car is cake compared to this...
Nope. Just figured out you are apparently
Under the impression drivers working 70 hours in 5-6 days is a violation.


It's not.

I've never said that. My original post was on the last page. I was just trying to clear up some questions about it, since there seemed to be a lot of confusion. We deal with this every say in feeders.
 

Brownslave688

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"UPS, based in Atlanta, has notified workers at more than 100 package-delivery centers where demand is highest that it may raise the number of hours drivers work to 70 hours over an eight-day period, up from 60 over seven days."



Umm that may be the law but workers are working 70 hours in 6 days or even 5

Drivers? They risk a heavy fine if they get caught. So does management.


That's exactly how the conversation went.


You said they risk a fine if they get caught.


Get caught what? Following DOT guidelines? Because that's all my post covered.
 

Johney

Pineapple King
Actually, 7 day/60 hour and 8 day/70 hour limits are DOT rules, it's just UPS has never used during the 8/70 rules for package car drivers before, that I'm aware of.

Just remember, as drivers, you're responsible for keeping track of your hours, and violating carries really steep fines if the DOT finds out. UPS also gets the fine too, which is probably the only reason they monitor your hours. But don't rely on them.

Just remember a few things: you can reset your hours to zero only after having 34 hours off; if you're running a 8/70 schedule, you have to have 10 hours off between doing shifts, and your meals and breaks don't count towards your total hours, provided you aren't working thru them. You can only drive for 11 hours in one shift, and with a few, unforeseen weather exceptions, you can only work 14 hours, from punch-in to punch-out, and that 14 hours DOES include your meal and break periods.

So in package car, your 14 hours starts at your start time until you punch out. And your 11 hour drive time starts when you get the vehicle moving in the morning until you park it at the end of the day, minus your meals and breaks.

For example, if you start at 8:30AM, and leave the boxline at 9, deliver all day, and take a 30 minute lunch and a 10 break, your drive time is up at 8:40PM. By law, you can't drive again until you've has 10 hours off. They have to come get you after that.

This happened to me once in feeders a few years back when the interstate I was on got shutdown for over three hours in a blizzard. On my way back, my 11 hour drive time ran out, and I pulled over and waited for them to come get me. I ended up being on the click that day for over 18 hours.
I didn't think the 11 hour drive rule applied to P/C as they aren't driving all the time. Every time you make a stop or deliver bulk or for that matter how about the mall guy who only moves the truck a couple times a day. Seems hard to actually drive a p/c for 11 hours total in one day. Feeders I get, we have guys who run 5 hours drive time to one T/A.
 

Dracula

Package Car is cake compared to this...
Umm that may be the law but workers are working 70 hours in 6 days or even 5
That's exactly how the conversation went.


You said they risk a fine if they get caught.


Get caught what? Following DOT guidelines? Because that's all my post covered.

Why are you making this so hard? Read your last line and ask why I asked "drivers"? Because if drivers are working 70 hours in 5 or 6 days, they are violating the law.
 

Brown287

Im not the Mail Man!
Ok, so Monday through Monday is 8 days. I worked 69 hours last week from Mon-Sat. I reported to work this this Monday and worked 12 hours. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that I violated the 70/8 rule by working 81 hours in 8 days?
Nevermind, 34-hour reset starts it over on Mon, doesn't it?
I brought up the exact same argument to my center manager and he said that UPS legal had approved it. Today our local union and the union bosses for NorCal are meeting with UPS management and lawyers for both sides to decide on a definitive answer. To much gray area if you ask me. I worked 82 hours in 8 days and on my calendar Monday to Monday is 8 days.
 

Brownslave688

You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
I didn't think the 11 hour drive rule applied to P/C as they aren't driving all the time. Every time you make a stop or deliver bulk or for that matter how about the mall guy who only moves the truck a couple times a day. Seems hard to actually drive a p/c for 11 hours total in one day. Feeders I get, we have guys who run 5 hours drive time to one T/A.
Yeah no package car driver is gonna have to worry about he 11 hours. Or the 30 minute break before 8.
 

Brownslave688

You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
Why are you making this so hard? Read your last line and ask why I asked "drivers"? Because if drivers are working 70 hours in 5 or 6 days, they are violating the law.
No they are not.


5 14 hour days is 70 hours. I don't have to take break.
 

Dracula

Package Car is cake compared to this...
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I didn't think the 11 hour drive rule applied to P/C as they aren't driving all the time. Every time you make a stop or deliver bulk or for that matter how about the mall guy who only moves the truck a couple times a day. Seems hard to actually drive a p/c for 11 hours total in one day. Feeders I get, we have guys who run 5 hours drive time to one T/A.
Then I'm reading the law wrong. Here is the package car exception, and it clearly states they have the same 11hour drive limit we do.
 
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